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No, I'm referencing those who never believed and those who have stopped believing.
No believer will ever come under the curse and condemnation of God.
They are protected by God's power through their faith (1 Peter 1:5).
That's why we need to continue in the believing we started out in.
If we don't, and we refuse all of God's efforts to bring us back to faith in Christ, and he turns us over to our unbelief, we will be condemned when Christ returns, not saved.
No believer will ever come under the curse and condemnation of God.
They are protected by God's power through their faith (1 Peter 1:5).
That's why we need to continue in the believing we started out in.
If we don't, and we refuse all of God's efforts to bring us back to faith in Christ, and he turns us over to our unbelief, we will be condemned when Christ returns, not saved.
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There is only one group "saved"
Jesus says so...
But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior . . . Titus 3:4-6 (NASB)
Jesus says so...
But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior . . . Titus 3:4-6 (NASB)
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Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
It is not about what WE can do, It is all about letting HIM DO IT THROUGH YOU.
Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is {Agape} love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
HE searches the HEART for the MOTIVE you Serve HIM.
IF IT IS NOT SINCERE AGAPE LOVE FOR HIM, IT IS NOTHING BUT FILTHY RAGS.
Serving HIM is NEVER A BURDEN, when you do it because you want to do it, out of pure AGAPE LOVE.
Producing NOTHING is every bit as bad as producing THORNS.
The results are exactly the same:
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
I've answered this a few times already recently.
It's not a number, it's whether or not the qualities of the Spirit are increasing in your life:
8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins." - 2 Peter 1:8-9
'Believers' who don't have this increase in righteous character/works are not retaining the true gospel in their hearts and minds. They have fallen away, or are falling away from faith in Christ. (Of course, there is always the possibility that they never heard the true gospel, but a perverted one instead, and that is the cause of their lack of godly character/works.)
Saved people living for Christ in faith have a changed/changing life. That change is the result of the retention of, and love for the true gospel message in their heart and their ongoing faith and trust in Christ's forgiveness.
It's not a number, it's whether or not the qualities of the Spirit are increasing in your life:
8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins." - 2 Peter 1:8-9
'Believers' who don't have this increase in righteous character/works are not retaining the true gospel in their hearts and minds. They have fallen away, or are falling away from faith in Christ. (Of course, there is always the possibility that they never heard the true gospel, but a perverted one instead, and that is the cause of their lack of godly character/works.)
Saved people living for Christ in faith have a changed/changing life. That change is the result of the retention of, and love for the true gospel message in their heart and their ongoing faith and trust in Christ's forgiveness.
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YOUR LOGIC DOES NOT COMPUTE!
If you are physically unable, you can PRAY FOR OTHERS. IT IS ALL A MATTER OF AGAPE LOVE, and if you are TRULY Born Again, it WILL come out of you.
The Parable of the SOWER, IT SHOWS, everyone who is Born Again WILL PRODUCE SOME Agape Love for GOD, and for SOMEONE ELSE.
Matthew 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Still others fell on good ground and produced a crop: some 100, some 60, and some 30 times ⌊what was sown⌋.
9 Anyone who has ears should listen!”
Only the Good Soil are the BORN AGAIN Christians.
There are four types of Soil listed in the Parable, and they are lifestyle characteristics in the Hearts of human beings.
4. The Soil that is a HARD PATH, is a stone cold unbeliever.
3. The Soil of ROCKY GROUND, is only a Disciple (only means Follower), NEVER been Born Again, will fall away, NO AGAPE LOVE in him.
2. The Soil with lots of THORNS, is only a Disciple (only means Follower), NEVER been Born Again, will fall away, the THORNS choked it out.
1. THE GOOD SOIL, IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, AND WILL PRODUCE A HARVEST OF FRUIT. Some 100, some 60, and some 30 times.
ONLY the number 1. Soil WILL produce this kind of FRUIT:
Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is {AGAPE} love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we {AGAPE} love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—
how can God’s {AGAPE} love {Rom. 5:5} reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,
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It's funny how you osas'ers boast of God's incredible grace and power in salvation, and rightfully so, but you have no such boast of his equally powerful grace in making the believer a different person.
"12 It (grace) teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age" - Titus 2:12
Instead you write off every scripture about God's grace in changing the life of the believer into nothing more than a works gospel. Apparently, God's grace is not teaching you about growing up into godliness. Osas is really messed up.
"12 It (grace) teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age" - Titus 2:12
Instead you write off every scripture about God's grace in changing the life of the believer into nothing more than a works gospel. Apparently, God's grace is not teaching you about growing up into godliness. Osas is really messed up.
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VCO, how do you view the passage from
1 Corinthians 3:9-15? What does Paul mean in verses 11-15? Thank you.
1 Corinthians 3:9-15? What does Paul mean in verses 11-15? Thank you.
The 'work' being spoken about is other people you have ministered to in the building of God's household.
Even if you are unsuccessful in establishing them in the household of Christ, and they get burned up in the Judgment, not saved, that doesn't affect your salvation. But you will lose any reward you would have otherwise gained if they had made it through the Judgement. That's why each man should be careful how he builds (vs.10). He should build with the view of being successful and being rewarded for his labor in building the household of God.
This passage has nothing to do with you still being saved even if you have no works of righteous living in a changed life toward God.
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