The Holy Spirit in Acts according to Acts

[presidente]

I reposted because the ink seemed very pale and hard to read and I wanted to read it. thanks

Presidentes post
In your posts so far, you seemed to imply that people were doing wrong by not mentioning the name of Jesus in their posts when they were talking about the Holy Spirit, but you do not do the same in your own posts. If people are talking about a topic related to the Holy Spirit, but don't mention evangelism, you imply they are wrong for that. You answered posts by responding how great salvation through Jesus is, as if the posts were opposed to that, when they weren't. When you make a little mistake, you deflect with some unrelated response when its pointed out. I asked you for scripture to support something specific. You responded with scriptures not really related to the topic and never really backed up what you said. When I pressed you, you said to read the book, read this chapter, read that chapter, but didn't really back up what you said (about 'prophesying over' each other meaning prophesying at the same time.

I deleted the shopkeeper part because I felt maybe it wasn't appropriate. If it has been less than 5 minutes, could you delete it from yours.

 

[miknik5]

7seasrekeyed, post: 4201570, member: 260610"] REPOST

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue a does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, b but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, c unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

so what do we learn here?

it is good to desire spiritual gifts

speaking in tongues is not Acts all over again...note v 2

if speaking in tongues a person does so by the Holy Spirit...note the capital 'S' v 2

the one who prophecies, v.3 exhorts everyone...in prophesying...meaning exhortation in most cases and not foretelling something

if a person is speaking in tongues, they edify themselves, if a person exhorts or prophecies, they edify the congregation or gathering

Paul would like everyone to speak in tongues..v 5..which places a high value on this gift, but he would prefer that everyone is edified and not just an individual. however, he goes on to say that if the tongues are interpreted, then they are equal in value

6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

Paul further explains why tongues should be interpreted or used privately. He indicates he values their desire for gifts of the Spirit and encourages this by saying they should try to excel in those that build up the body

13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

Paul sums up what he has indicated should be the order for the use of tongues in church. he tells them to pray to be able to interpret...nowhere does Paul give any indication that he believes they should just be quiet and not use tongues nor does he castigate them in any way that would indicate he is angry or that there is jealousy or any other negative influence at work.

there is no indication they were prophesying over each other either. further, there is a misinterpretation of the word prophesy if a person is using it to indicate revelation rather than exhortation. Paul does not use the word revelation

rather he congratulates them on their desire for spiritual gifts but cautions proper use of same

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

again, he expounds on the importance of understanding and his concern that ALL should benefit from the gifts of exhortation...prophecy and tongues with interpretation


LOL...honest to Pete...I have never met someone so dishonest while telling others that they lie etc

of course now I will be told she meant something else and blah blah blah

Are you suggesting from the above which you posted and identified (prior to you actually pasting the scripture verses for 1 Corinthians 14:6 through 17, is GODŚ WORD?

Shall I cut and paste every bible version of 1 Corinthians 14:5 that does not read as you have impliedv 5..which places a high value on this gift, but he would prefer that everyone is edified and not just an individual. however, he goes on to say that if the tongues are interpreted, then they are equal in value

 

[presidente]

Please show me where I indicated or even wrote that the gift of tongues has ceased/passed away. You won´t because I never wrote that...

I was under that impression, but I cannot think of a specific quote from you on that.


So read I Corinthians 3.... sorry. Hard to resist.

 

[miknik5]

Iḿ out of here.
People will either read the WORD of GOD for themselves or listen to men and women claiming to interpret the WORD of GOD for themselves...


Better to leave the scriptures alone and not fanagle with verses that you choose to mold to what you want your interpretation to say

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Please show me where I indicated or even wrote that the gift of tongues has ceased/passed away. You won´t because I never wrote that...

how bout you go back and find it yourself?

I think you forget some of what you say

hint: it was not in this thread and you were responding to Roger

so how about the fact you were wrong in saying I did not include v 5 of I Cor. 14?

if I were to respond as do you, I would demand an apology

but I don't care. it is for your own good that you acknowledge what you are doing here

I don't have to put up with what you dish out. you have been very wrong from the get go...you have disrupted the entire thread and seem to think you can give everyone a tongue lashing and we should be thankful you are doing so

this is childish in the extreme, not to mention arrogant...are you perhaps having issues that are not associated with this forum?

slow down and think things through

 

[miknik5]

I was under that impression, but I cannot think of a specific quote from you on that.


So read I Corinthians 3.... sorry. Hard to resist.

There you go again...just saying what you want to Regardless if it is false or not...

 

[miknik5]

how bout you go back and find it yourself?

I think you forget some of what you say

hint: it was not in this thread and you were responding to Roger

so how about the fact you were wrong in saying I did not include v 5 of I Cor. 14?

if I were to respond as do you, I would demand an apology

but I don't care. it is for your own good that you acknowledge what you are doing here

I don't have to put up with what you dish out. you have been very wrong from the get go...you have disrupted the entire thread and seem to think you can give everyone a tongue lashing and we should be thankful you are doing so

this is childish in the extreme, not to mention arrogant...are you perhaps having issues that are not associated with this forum?

slow down and think things through

Nope I dont forget what I say,.

I have thought things through and right now there is an urgency that THE TRUTH be made known to all men

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I deleted the shopkeeper part because I felt maybe it wasn't appropriate. If it has been less than 5 minutes, could you delete it from yours.

oh sorry...time's up for me too

I would have if I could have

 

[presidente]

Are you suggesting from the above which you posted and identified (prior to you actually pasting the scripture verses for 1 Corinthians 14:6 through 17, is GODŚ WORD?

Shall I cut and paste every bible version of 1 Corinthians 14:5 that does not read as you have impliedv 5..which places a high value on this gift, but he would prefer that everyone is edified and not just an individual. however, he goes on to say that if the tongues are interpreted, then they are equal in value

Btw, I would say I do not exactly agree with 7keysrekeyed. I do not think Paul says enough to conclude whether the one who speaks in tongues and interprets is equal to the one who prophecies. But we can conclude that he does not say that the one who prophecies is superior to the one who speaks in tongues and interprets. It's a fine distinction, I know. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues.

Jesus told His disciples that the greatest among them would be the servant of all. Paul's words are in line with that.

 

[presidente]

Nope I dont forget what I say,.

I have thought things through and right now there is an urgency that THE TRUTH be made known to all men

Just two people remember differently. And there is a clear written record on the page that cannot be editted because five minutes have passed.

 

[presidente]

oh sorry...time's up for me too

I would have if I could have

I appreciate it. A lot of younger folks have no idea about those old popular references anyway.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Nope I dont forget what I say,.

well good then

I guess that means you know you will have to answer for it

but I am going to go and find it...cause I do not like to make things up and say they are the truth

I could be wrong...but I did say I thought you had indicated that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I appreciate it. A lot of younger folks have no idea about those old popular references anyway.

I think they might be having reruns on some station...good ole days when everyone was not being a sarcastic nasty person and actually tried to do good with a moral of the story kind of ending

sigh

 

[presidente]

There you go again...just saying what you want to Regardless if it is false or not...

No it is true that it was my recollection, and true that I do not know of a specific post.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Nope I dont forget what I say,.

I have thought things through and right now there is an urgency that THE TRUTH be made known to all men

well you changed what you originally said...I saw that post but you changed it to the above

so, my observation is that you may be going about your concerns the wrong way

I have concerns...I think we possibly all do

but the subject matter of this particular thread would appear to be something you are not able to talk about without...er...ummm...well let's just say...getting overly perturbed about

as it is, tongues and gifts do not save people...but they are real and a part of what God desires we should have

 

[presidente]

Nope I dont forget what I say,.

I have thought things through and right now there is an urgency that THE TRUTH be made known to all men

Let's stick with the scriptures then, and not pretending we didn't say things in the past, implying that other people aren't emphasizing evangelism or salvation through Christ enough when they are discussing specific topics of scripture, and other behavior like that.

 

[miknik5]

I am speechless about the nonsense and confusion that is going on here. It is better not to speak and I will no longer be a part of this confusion

 

[notuptome]

Paul gives us what we need in scripture to interpret when that will happen.
I Corinthians 1:7
So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I also notice that you do not have full knowledge.

I have what God has supplied. God has given His word and His Spirit to minister that word in the hearts of men.

You Pentecostals like to get snarky about knowledge and all you do is demonstrate that you do not have even a basic understanding of the word of God.

Only three gifts ended and all believers ought to concentrate on the gifts that remain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[presidente]

I am speechless about the nonsense and confusion that is going on here. It is better not to speak and I will no longer be a part of this confusion

Just so you don't get the wrong impression, I cannot say that I have ever seen this particular brand of nonsense and confusion on the previous threads I have joined in which you did not participate.

If you are married, feel free to share that post of mine with your husband. If not, maybe your parents or your roommate.

 

[presidente]

You Pentecostals like to get snarky about knowledge and all you do is demonstrate that you do not have even a basic understanding of the word of God.

Pentecostals would probably not count me as a classical Pentecostal because I do not believe in the 'initial evidence doctrine'. But, be that as it may, if you allow that Pentecostals who have faith in Christ can be saved, your statement disproves the idea that 'the perfect' has come in I Corinthians, since we still know in part.