The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman
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Holy spirit is non only in the Christian, Holy spirit is omnipresent, mean every where.
What happen in Tribulation ?
Rev 13 say the beast Will make all to take mark or can not buy or sale
Is that wrath of God?
Wrath of God only to the wicked not to Christian, like happen to agypt when they not let Israel go.
As in preterism, pre- trib. sees the opposite,,,one says "its way back in the past and don't apply to us" ,,,,the other says "it's way in the future and don't apply to us" ....this causes the both of them to relax and pay no attention to the events taking place present tense or as history has unfolded,,,I think it is by design...
I don't wuite understand
You say It is by design, who design and why ? Any good reason to design this fenomena?
1. In Genesis 5 we read that God "took Enoch". In Hebrews 11 we read that Enoch was "translated". That is the first example of a pretribulation Rapture. Enoch was walking on earth at one moment and the next moment he was gone -- vanished from the face of the earth. Since God is in Heaven, if Enoch was taken by God, then it is logical that he went to Heaven. This was BEFORE the judgment of the Flood (an example of the Tribulation and Great Tribulation periods, when judgments are poured out).
2. Then we have Noah and his family safe in the Ark while the severe judgment of the Flood occurred. Again Noah was safe BEFORE anything happened.
3. Then we have Lot (called righteous even though he made some terrible choices). He was forcibly dragged out of Sodom with his wife and daughters by angels BEFORE fire and brimstone was poured out on Sodom and Gomorrah.
4. Then we have Elijah taken to Heaven in a heavenly chariot with heavenly horses. Another example of the Rapture. He was on earth at one moment, gone the next. The judgment on the kingdom of Israel came later.
So what we see is that God reserves the wicked for His judgments while He preserves His saints from the same. This is the fundamental principle of the pretribulation Rapture.
If it is in the future why watch? If it is in the past why watch? The only reason you are watching is because you see it present tense...
Sure God not punish the believer.
But reve 13 descrioe great tribulation not as wrath of God.
God not make a rule only mark taker able to buy or sale.
This rule must come from the devil. Not wrath of God
I don't know why some time God not stop devil tribulation happen
Example It happen to Stephen, God not stop
To John the baptist and God not stop.
When wrath of God come to agypt, God not rapture Israel but he able to poprotect them from some wrath, inrecall God protect the from 5 wrath out of 10. I may wrong.
But according to oaul,rapture Will not happen before man If sin
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 thesalonians
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Jesus tell us what is the sign of His second coming.
Seem to me some sign like war, ( we 1 and ww2) happen, and love become less and less, and now we have weapon of mass destruction, not 100 years ago. So I am wiry, it may very close
Yes we will. The Democrats just tried to create a cryptocurrency and have it put into this last Covid 19 relief package. Most people would say that there are already cryptocurrencies like bitcoin and others so no big deal. But the Cryptocurrency the Democrats wanted to set up would have been backed up by the central bank in America. This would have major influence on the banking system of the world and create the first cryptocurrency that would be backed up by the central bank of a country.Well, we will see
A bill has surfaced in the Senate called the ‘Banking For All Act’, sponsored by the Ranking Member of the Senate Banking Committee, U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH). In the press release, Senator Brown lays out the details of his bill as well as how he looks forward to urging his colleagues to include it as part of the coronavirus economic stimulus package.
This bill offers a definition for digital dollars as well as for a digital dollar wallet, and provides the provision for a pass-through digital dollar wallet with the mandate for all member banks to open and maintain digital dollar wallets for all persons, including those eligible to receive the stimulus.
In the United States, the vast majority of banks, with the exception of the big banks such as Wells Fargo that are supervised by the OCC, have the option to be members of the Federal Reserve and to buy shares in the Reserve as a way of becoming a ‘member bank.’ These banks are then supervised and regulated by the Federal Reserve. A ‘non-member bank’ is a bank that chooses not to be a ‘member’ of the Federal Reserve and is regulated by the FDIC.
For large banks, there is a provision in the bill that online applications for pass-through digital wallets must be made available. The pass-through digital wallet contains consumer protection terms where it notes the wallet ‘shall not be subject to any account fees, minimum balances, or maximum balances and shall pay interest at a rate not below the greater of the rate of interest on required reserves and the rate of interest on excess reserves’.
Federal Reserve Banks and the U.S. Postal ‘Banking’ Service
From one institution that likely most Americans have never even entered, the Federal Reserve, to the Post Office, where sometimes daily visits can be part of a person’s routine, this bill includes mandates for each agency to assist in the supply of digital dollar wallets for all. The Federal Reserve may maintain digital dollar wallets. And for low-income areas where the Federal Reserve may not be able to have a branch, the Fed will partner with postal retail facilities to carry out this mandate. For access to the digital cash, ATMs will be provided at U.S. Post Offices.
Now that both Chambers - the House and the Senate - have legislation introduced within both the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee, it does appear that the concept of digital dollars is one that Congress realizes reaches beyond the current coronavirus crisis, and may become a bi-partisan issue. With concerns over China and other countries developing a CBDC, the U.S. might be using this bill to introduce its own digital currency - and also be looking to solve one of the oldest policy issues of all in reaching out to offering banking services to the unbanked and underbanked.
Since the dollar is the dominant currency around the world and all oil is bought and sold in US dollars this creates a cryptocurrency that could be and in some cases would have to be used world wide.
Bottom line here is that this is a giant step closer to the Mark of the Beast.
Christ comes for a church without spot or wrinkle. I.E. a perfect church just as Christ was and this is the single geatest reason why I believe that we will suffer a period of great tribulation because a period of great tribulation would separate the luke warm and fake believers from the true believers of Christ. Like chaff, you throw wheat up in the air and the wheat falls to the ground but the chaff is blown away leaving only the best on the ground. Or like silver, you bring it to a boil so the impurities are brought to the surface which are then scraped off and this was done seven times in the day of Christ to purify silver.
The anointing oil used in the Temple comes from the sap of a bush or tree and it has to be hammered and crushed before it can be used in the anointing oil. But the more it is hammered and crushed ore fragrant it becomes. The Church needs to be hammered and crushed before it will be ready for Christ to return.
HI!
Do you remember saying "Wrath of God only to the wicked not to Christian, like happen to agypt when they not let Israel go."
The LORD removes His Church which is not subject to His wrath, "Wrath of God only to the wicked not to Christian.."
God bless..
Do you remember saying "Wrath of God only to the wicked not to Christian, like happen to agypt when they not let Israel go."
The LORD removes His Church which is not subject to His wrath, "Wrath of God only to the wicked not to Christian.."
God bless..
True. He is the restrainer.
The restrainer is taken out of the way and the man of sin is revealed.
No. Taking the "mark" will be a voluntary action.
God Bless!
That is garbage. The word "Wrath" means "punishment" and the word "Tribulation" means "Affliction". Two different words and two different meanings. We are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God but we are told to count all tribulations as joy.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
The word "temptations" is talking about tribulations.
We are appointed to suffer great tribulations.
1Th 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellow labourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
1Th 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
1Th 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
So God could and will allow us to go through a period of Great Tribulation for the purpose of perfecting our faith.
What about the Columnbine girl??? She had a gun pointed at her face when the shooter asked her if she believed in Christhen she said yes he shoot her in the face and killed her. What makes any of us so much better then her to the point that God would not allow that to happen to us??? If God allowed that to happen to a child He can and will allow it to happen to us.
Hi again!
G2372 θυμός thumos (thï-mos') n.
passion (as if breathing hard).
[from G2380]
KJV: fierceness, indignation, wrath
Root(s): G2380
G2347 θλίψις thlipsis (thliy'-psis) n.
pressure.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G2346]
KJV: afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble
Hope this helps....
G2372 θυμός thumos (thï-mos') n.
passion (as if breathing hard).
[from G2380]
KJV: fierceness, indignation, wrath
Root(s): G2380
G2347 θλίψις thlipsis (thliy'-psis) n.
pressure.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G2346]
KJV: afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble
Hope this helps....
Yes. Taking the mark can only occurr AFTER the man of sin is revealed. Chistians are exempt as they have been caught up before then.
She was a postrib adherent and believed the church needed to go through the gt for cleansing.
Her vision was pretrib,but inspite of it and bible evidence she had that erroneous postrib belief.
I have never seen a postrib rapture verse in 40 years of study.
Maybe you know of one?
Jesus framed the rapture pretrib
"Before the flood..."
Lot
"One taken,one left"
The 10 virgins
"....because you have kept my word,I will keep you from the time of testing"
"But pray that you will be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the world"
Pretrib rapture verses big time.
Yes
A better question or dynamic would be "can God only exhibit wrath/tribulation....can the devil only exhibit wrath/tribulation "
Or
"Is wrath void of tribulation...or is tribulation void of wrath"
There is such a vast overlapping it is shaky to base a position on such vague dynamics.
Lol
We Do have verses
You post trib DO NOT.
The words of Jesus SPECIFICALLY..IRREFUTABLY place the rapture pretrib
Plus rev 14 DESTROYS your deal.
If the dead ,as you say, rise after the gt then YOU place that resurrection AFTER the living gathered in rev 14.
So either 1 thes 4 is false,or rev 14 has Jesus as confused.
Pretrib rapture is easy to defend
We have verses
You have none
In fact you guys in desperation attempt sloppily to combine the 2 clearly separate events of the rapture and second coming.
IOW you guys are in a doctrinal position that the very words of Jesus are Directly against you.
How bizarre to position yourself in opposition to Christ Himself