Exposing!! The Corrupt Counterfeit (NIV) Bible, Verses That Have Been Tamped With!!
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I have read that around 80% of NT quotes of the OT were from the Greek Septuagint. On Pentecost each man heard in his own language. I think God is quite able to get His message across, to the contrite heart, no matter what language one uses: but i believe God will make it understandable to that person. Since most of the worlds population cannot even read the KJV, this argument seems somewhat lost to all who do not speak or read English.
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That is TOTALLY, TOTALLY FALSE.
No more than 10% of the NT quotes correspond to the LXX, with the caveat that even there the verses have somehow been corrupted. I have personally examined this claim, and it is totally false.
The Septuagint is a very corrupt Greek translation of the Old Testament, which also includes all the apocryphal books.
No more than 10% of the NT quotes correspond to the LXX, with the caveat that even there the verses have somehow been corrupted. I have personally examined this claim, and it is totally false.
The Septuagint is a very corrupt Greek translation of the Old Testament, which also includes all the apocryphal books.
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Lots of good points in your post there!
One thing I've seen from looking at the Greek of the New testament is that when the old testament is quoted, it's often quoted from the Septuagint.
This indicates to me that God is not concerned about the exactness of the words.
For example, see how Luke in chapter 4 quotes Isaiah,
"The spirit of the Lord is upon me."
Close to the Masoretic, but not exact.
what I take away from this is that close enough is good enough, the holy spirit will do the rest.
One thing I've seen from looking at the Greek of the New testament is that when the old testament is quoted, it's often quoted from the Septuagint.
This indicates to me that God is not concerned about the exactness of the words.
For example, see how Luke in chapter 4 quotes Isaiah,
"The spirit of the Lord is upon me."
Close to the Masoretic, but not exact.
what I take away from this is that close enough is good enough, the holy spirit will do the rest.
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Let me show you that it is the Masoretic Text and NOT the Septuagint which is quoted in the NT.
KJV Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
KJV Ex 9:16 (Masoretic Text almost exactly quoted above)
And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
Brenton's Septuagint
And for this purpose hast thou been preserved, that I might display in thee my strength, and that my name might be published in all the earth.
Note: “And in very deed” omitted. Raised thee up = הֶעֱמַדְתִּ֔יךָ he-‘ĕ-maḏ-tî-ḵā is totally different from “hast thou been preserved” (“carefully kept”) which could not possibly apply to evil Pharaoh.
KJV Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
KJV Ex 9:16 (Masoretic Text almost exactly quoted above)
And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
Brenton's Septuagint
And for this purpose hast thou been preserved, that I might display in thee my strength, and that my name might be published in all the earth.
Note: “And in very deed” omitted. Raised thee up = הֶעֱמַדְתִּ֔יךָ he-‘ĕ-maḏ-tî-ḵā is totally different from “hast thou been preserved” (“carefully kept”) which could not possibly apply to evil Pharaoh.
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I had a different experience, it looked to me like most of the old testament quotes in the New testament were taken from the lxx.
The situation is complicated, I think, because there were probably several Hebrew manuscript traditions in addition to the Masoretic, but they've been lost. And I'm sure there's more than one manuscript tradition for the lxx as well.
The situation is complicated, I think, because there were probably several Hebrew manuscript traditions in addition to the Masoretic, but they've been lost. And I'm sure there's more than one manuscript tradition for the lxx as well.
Well in the Greek that I was looking at of the NT and the lxx,
neither one seems to match the King James rendering exactly.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=SBLGNT
https://www.academic-bible.com/en/o...01/99999/ch/b3a5b14d8b32c6684954ba90f3103161/
Now, regarding Luke 4, we can see that
Lord God (yhwh)
Is not exactly the same as
Lord.
Close, but not exact.
I love this kind of discussion!
neither one seems to match the King James rendering exactly.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=SBLGNT
https://www.academic-bible.com/en/o...01/99999/ch/b3a5b14d8b32c6684954ba90f3103161/
Now, regarding Luke 4, we can see that
Lord God (yhwh)
Is not exactly the same as
Lord.
Close, but not exact.
I love this kind of discussion!
M
Yes it is difficult especially if you don't know Hebrew. I have been working on it for a couple years and before that I knew nothing. Wow the Bible becomes 3D Live and God will help if you call out and desire it. There are also good Jewish Hebrew translations. But I tell you, the power of the NT comes out when you understand the Jewish/Hebrew background to it.
The Greek there in the NT is no different as how American Jews speak English together, but still speak Hebrew in prayers, in their studies and there English has Hebrew idioms in there when they speak.
The Greek there in the NT is no different as how American Jews speak English together, but still speak Hebrew in prayers, in their studies and there English has Hebrew idioms in there when they speak.
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So you believe God breaks His promises before the wandering?
Yes that is right.
All of Deu. 28 was the new covenant spoken to an entirely new generation who were not alive or very young when God spoke Num. 14:34 to Moses. It was a New Covenant spoken to a New Generation of Israelites who never heard the first covenant.
The first time God promised to take the Israelites to a land flowing with milk and honey was in Exo. 3:17.
Exo 3:17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.
But all of the Israelites that were living at the time of Exo. 3:17 when God made that promise were all dead because
of their disobedience at the Jordan river. They all died during the forty years in the desert because as part of their punishment.
By the time that Deu. 28 was spoken to the Israelites there was a whole new generation of Israelites at the end of the forty years because the original Israelites who left Egypt after 400 years were all dead.
So after the promise given in Exo 3:7, the Israelites were disobedient at the Jordan river before the forty years. Which is where Num 14:32-35 comes in.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:33 And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness.
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Num 14:35 I the LORD have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die
In Num 14:34 God is telling Moses about the punishment of walking in the desert for the next forty years, because of their disobedience at the Jordan river.
Yes that is right.
All of Deu. 28 was the new covenant spoken to an entirely new generation who were not alive or very young when God spoke Num. 14:34 to Moses. It was a New Covenant spoken to a New Generation of Israelites who never heard the first covenant.
The first time God promised to take the Israelites to a land flowing with milk and honey was in Exo. 3:17.
Exo 3:17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.
But all of the Israelites that were living at the time of Exo. 3:17 when God made that promise were all dead because
of their disobedience at the Jordan river. They all died during the forty years in the desert because as part of their punishment.
By the time that Deu. 28 was spoken to the Israelites there was a whole new generation of Israelites at the end of the forty years because the original Israelites who left Egypt after 400 years were all dead.
So after the promise given in Exo 3:7, the Israelites were disobedient at the Jordan river before the forty years. Which is where Num 14:32-35 comes in.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:33 And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness.
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Num 14:35 I the LORD have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die
In Num 14:34 God is telling Moses about the punishment of walking in the desert for the next forty years, because of their disobedience at the Jordan river.
Matthew 6:27
New International Version
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
New Living Translation
Can all your worries add a single moment to your life?
English Standard Version
And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
Berean Study Bible
Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
New American Standard Bible
"And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?
NET Bible
And which of you by worrying can add even one hour to his life?
Going to earlier English Versions would vindicate the reading of KJV over modern English versions. Not to mention all of these including Wycliffe 1382 and other Reformation Bibles, the Anglo-Saxon Wessex gospel 990 AD provides a good translation and supports the KJV as well.
Anglo-Saxon Wessex Gospel 990 AD for Matthew 6:27
An online lexicon proved that this is not in reference to “age” as the passage is concern. “Elne” or “ell” simply means “cubit” a measure of length not days but the space from the point of the elbow to the end of the middle finger presumably 18 inches and anlichnysse or anlicnesse means “stature” not “life”. God bless.
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oe_bosworthtoller/b0247.html
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oe_bosworthtoller/b0044.html
New International Version
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
New Living Translation
Can all your worries add a single moment to your life?
English Standard Version
And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
Berean Study Bible
Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
New American Standard Bible
"And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?
NET Bible
And which of you by worrying can add even one hour to his life?
Going to earlier English Versions would vindicate the reading of KJV over modern English versions. Not to mention all of these including Wycliffe 1382 and other Reformation Bibles, the Anglo-Saxon Wessex gospel 990 AD provides a good translation and supports the KJV as well.
Anglo-Saxon Wessex Gospel 990 AD for Matthew 6:27
hwilc eower maig soðlice þencen þæt he ge-eacnige enne elne to his anlichnysse.An online lexicon proved that this is not in reference to “age” as the passage is concern. “Elne” or “ell” simply means “cubit” a measure of length not days but the space from the point of the elbow to the end of the middle finger presumably 18 inches and anlichnysse or anlicnesse means “stature” not “life”. God bless.
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oe_bosworthtoller/b0247.html
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oe_bosworthtoller/b0044.html
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For one thing Luke 23:98 says of this unless there is not found in other English translations. The superscription written in Greek, Latin and Hebrew and that makes a translation. God bless
King James Bible
And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
King James Bible
And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.