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The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary is a co-redemtrix
The RSVCE version has this footnote to Gen 3:15
The RSVCE version has this footnote to Gen 3:15
- 3.15 he shall bruise your head: i.e., the seed of the woman, that is, mankind descended from Eve, will eventually gain the victory over the powers of evil. This victory will, of course, be gained through the work of the Messiah who is par excellence the seed of the woman. The Latin Vulgate has the reading ipsa conteret, “she shall bruise.” Some Old Latin manuscripts have this reading and it occurs also in St. Augustine, De Genesi contra Manichaeos, II, which is earlier than St. Jerome’s translation. It could be due originally to a copyist’s mistake, which was then seen to contain a genuine meaning—namely, that Mary, too, would have her share in the victory, inasmuch as she was mother of the Savior.
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More on this. I thought that once I read that in the original Hebrew the one that crushed the serpent was neither he not she, but it.
I then found an article that explains all this. It seems very scholarly and long and explains why Jerome's translation is correct.
"....the original Hebrew word only means: "the former" - the word implies no number and no gender -- that is WHY the older translations use the phrase: "IT" shall crush thy head. That is, perhaps, the most literal translation - if one chooses to isolate this phrase out of it's context. Using the word "it" makes it clear that there is no specific linguistic linkage to gender, which would clearly identify WHO will crush the serpents head. In all fairness, the original word COULD refer to BOTH, since the word used, simply means: "the former" - i.e. the just referred to. Since that last reference was enmity "between your seed and her seed" - it is not clear if "the former" refers to "her" or to "her seed".
And under "Saint Jerome is Right"
The reason St. Jerome is right, and all modern translations are WRONG is because he clearly understood the meaning of CONTEXT of the passage. The context is that there is an enmity between the WOMAN and the SERPENT - and only ONE can rightfully be permitted to CRUSH HIS HEAD. The choices are 1) the woman, or 2) all of her combined offspring designated by the term "it". If there is anything CERTAIN, it is that the OFFSPRING is not a SINGULAR case. Only the WOMAN can be used in the singular case. Therefore, "the former" that the scripture is referring to is, as Jerome accurately translated it, is the woman.
It is MORE of of linguistic stretch to try to force the OFFSPRING of the woman to reference a "specific singular" - than it is permit "the WOMAN" to be the reference of the "specific singular".
If the Hebrew said "he" shall crush thy head, Jerome would have translated it that way - but the Hebrew CLEARLY does NOT say "he" shall crush thy head.
One must simply ask the simple question: if an enmity is established, which it clearly IS "between the woman and the serpent" - who is the prophesied victor?? The answer is the WOMAN. The enmity between the off-spring of the woman, and the off-spring of Satan, is in actuality, only a side note. To change the VICTOR of the enmity between the woman and serpent - to be the OFF SPRING of the woman, simply does not logically follow - because there is absolutely NO SINGULARITY established. The obvious is rendered: "I will place enmity between you and the woman, and between your children and her children. She shall crush thy head, and you shall strike at her heel."
http://www.unitypublishing.com/SheWillCrush.htm
I then found an article that explains all this. It seems very scholarly and long and explains why Jerome's translation is correct.
"....the original Hebrew word only means: "the former" - the word implies no number and no gender -- that is WHY the older translations use the phrase: "IT" shall crush thy head. That is, perhaps, the most literal translation - if one chooses to isolate this phrase out of it's context. Using the word "it" makes it clear that there is no specific linguistic linkage to gender, which would clearly identify WHO will crush the serpents head. In all fairness, the original word COULD refer to BOTH, since the word used, simply means: "the former" - i.e. the just referred to. Since that last reference was enmity "between your seed and her seed" - it is not clear if "the former" refers to "her" or to "her seed".
And under "Saint Jerome is Right"
The reason St. Jerome is right, and all modern translations are WRONG is because he clearly understood the meaning of CONTEXT of the passage. The context is that there is an enmity between the WOMAN and the SERPENT - and only ONE can rightfully be permitted to CRUSH HIS HEAD. The choices are 1) the woman, or 2) all of her combined offspring designated by the term "it". If there is anything CERTAIN, it is that the OFFSPRING is not a SINGULAR case. Only the WOMAN can be used in the singular case. Therefore, "the former" that the scripture is referring to is, as Jerome accurately translated it, is the woman.
It is MORE of of linguistic stretch to try to force the OFFSPRING of the woman to reference a "specific singular" - than it is permit "the WOMAN" to be the reference of the "specific singular".
If the Hebrew said "he" shall crush thy head, Jerome would have translated it that way - but the Hebrew CLEARLY does NOT say "he" shall crush thy head.
One must simply ask the simple question: if an enmity is established, which it clearly IS "between the woman and the serpent" - who is the prophesied victor?? The answer is the WOMAN. The enmity between the off-spring of the woman, and the off-spring of Satan, is in actuality, only a side note. To change the VICTOR of the enmity between the woman and serpent - to be the OFF SPRING of the woman, simply does not logically follow - because there is absolutely NO SINGULARITY established. The obvious is rendered: "I will place enmity between you and the woman, and between your children and her children. She shall crush thy head, and you shall strike at her heel."
http://www.unitypublishing.com/SheWillCrush.htm
Maybe you're reading the wrong threads. I haven't seen much anti-Catholic stuff at all. But I usually hang out in Singles forum, with brief forays into Miscellaneous.
(Protip: You don't have to be single to hang out in Singles forum. It has become the default hangout for the people who just come to relax and chat about stuff. Plenty married people there these days, and glad to have them because they have some good comments.)
Now if you hang around the Bible Argument For... er, the Bible Discussions Forum, you're bound to see LOTS of stuff that will make you angry. That's why I avoid it. My blood pressure is already where I like it, so I don't need to take any BDF medicine to get it higher.
(Protip: You don't have to be single to hang out in Singles forum. It has become the default hangout for the people who just come to relax and chat about stuff. Plenty married people there these days, and glad to have them because they have some good comments.)
Now if you hang around the Bible Argument For... er, the Bible Discussions Forum, you're bound to see LOTS of stuff that will make you angry. That's why I avoid it. My blood pressure is already where I like it, so I don't need to take any BDF medicine to get it higher.
I feel that any hatred toward people of the Catholic Church is not right. People can disagree with the doctrine of Catholicism but taking it out on those who practice it isn’t needed.
Do I believe that a person should go to another to confess their sins instead of straight to Christ? No. Do I think the pope is the only person who can speak to Him? No. Do I think Mary was anything more than a very favored human? No. Do I think a person can be made Christian by water baptism during infancy? No. Do I hate people who are Catholic? No.
Do I believe that a person should go to another to confess their sins instead of straight to Christ? No. Do I think the pope is the only person who can speak to Him? No. Do I think Mary was anything more than a very favored human? No. Do I think a person can be made Christian by water baptism during infancy? No. Do I hate people who are Catholic? No.
He tells us to hate evil..
Psalms 97 KJV
10 "Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked."
Amos 5: KJV
14 "Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. {15} Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph."
Psalms 97 KJV
10 "Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked."
Amos 5: KJV
14 "Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. {15} Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph."
