Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!

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Dave-L said:
The sign gifts were meant to be seen. But we have not seen them since the Epistles where Paul no longer healed anyone but helped them cope in their sicknesses.
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You wouldn't know if Jesus intervened or not , you're too busy running around bumping into and feeling for walls ..
 
Locoponydirtman said:
So this is my question, why didn't Philip lay hands on and pass the Holy Spirit to the Ethiopian eunuch? Why did he not pass the gifts on to the Samarians, but rather waited for Peter and John to come?
Why then did Paul when giving instructions to Timothy, say if any one is sick bring them to the elders of the church and they will anoint them with oil and the prayer of faith will save the sick, Rather than one of you who has the gift lay hands on them? And take some wine for often infirmities?
Why also does these gifts seemingly disappear in the writings of the next generation of Church fathers? Polycarp, Didache, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, through the reformation leaders like Augustine, and Luther through to the late 1800's you see a lack of any mention of the gifts, why is that? Then in 1900 you see this resurgence of the gifts, except you see it very much happening against the instruction Paul gave to the Corinthians. For 1800 years nothing then it comes back, but not as scripture instructs. If you read the Azuza street book you very much see that they were seriously violating the instructions to the Corinthians, by their own description, it was disorderly, some would even say chaotic.
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How dare that Holy Spirit move on the upper room and have those believers looking like drunks.
And the nerve of that Jesus leaving all those sick folks at the pool of bethesda.

Your doctrine centers on what is not there (in your mind)

We know potatoes and eggs are unorthodox.
Why?
Well, show me one place Jesus ate it.
 
SpiritDove05 said:
John 14:11-12
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

what du mean don't look 4 signs tho?

John 4:48
Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will never believe.”
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The apostles preached the gospel with accompanying signs and wonders.
They didn't know not to do it.
We now seem to have found a "better" way.
A different gospel.
Totally different
OH. MY. GOD.
 
bojack said:
You are being used by the enemy to kill, steal, and destroy , it's your business .. It's why I suspect you become bitter or full of pride at some point maybe even jealous .. I've seen what Jesus can do and has did ..
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How so? If you had the gifts you think you do, why not use them?
 
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Dave-L said:
Prove from Scripture the gifts came in another way besides the Apostles or the two outpourings.
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Prove they never ate broccoli.

Ok there you have it.

We "know" so many wonderful things from what is not there.

In fact your ENTIRE DEAL is just that.
 
bojack said:
You are being used by the enemy to kill, steal, and destroy , it's your business .. It's why I suspect you become bitter or full of pride at some point maybe even jealous .. I've seen what Jesus can do and has did ..
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It is a spirit.
Anti christ
"Do not do what Jesus or the apostles did"
"Be and do anything but that"

"Do not read or adhere to those verses...we never do"
"Look to us...not those verses"
"You will become one of us"

Ok,what is my new job?
"Tirelessly attacking the brethren"

Oh, wait,I better get back to the Spirit Of God.
Thank you Jesus!!!
 
I have never met a Pauline hyper adherent that was NOT a cessationist.

Interesting dichotomy.

Because if we minimize Jesus words and ministry,where do we stop omitting his words and ministry?
Psssst;90 % of healing verses are from the gospels.
50% or more of his ministry was healing the sick.

Hmmmm
 
Absolutely said:
How dare that Holy Spirit move on the upper room and have those believers looking like drunks.
And the nerve of that Jesus leaving all those sick folks at the pool of bethesda.

Your doctrine centers on what is not there (in your mind)

We know potatoes and eggs are unorthodox.
Why?
Well, show me one place Jesus ate it.
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Offended by some questions.
Since when does questions draw mockery? Bearing some thorns; I see.
 
I know God still heals, and still gives wisdom, and knowledge, His miracles happen all the time, He moves people vis His devine providence. What I refuted is what Pentecostalism teaches, with that I see chaos and disorder. I also see the wreckage that the health, wealth, and name it claim it has caused. People looking to wonders rather than His word for who He is. Seeking signs rather than his word and listening to charlatans and false prophets, because they tickle their ears with promises of wealth, and the easy life.
 
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Dave-L said:
The Spirit gave the gifts only through an Apostle's hands or in the two outpourings.
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Do you have a spiritual inability to see words on the screen, or a spiritual inability to retain information, or did you just not read? Gifts could be imparted through the apostles or without their laying hands on others.

I Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership.
(NKJV)

Saul of Tarsus also received spiritual gifts without the laying on of hands of the 12 apostles. He did have non-apostolic hands laid on him.

Acts 9
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 13
13 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

A spiritual gift can be given in response to prayer.
I Corinthians 14:13
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

The doctrinal teaching of the New Testament is that spiritual gifts are given as the Spirit wills.
I Corinthians 12
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
(KJV)

“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Hebrews 2:3–4 (KJV 1900)

You are taking from God's word if you ignore the Apostles who the Spirit used to distribute the gifts.
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You are ignoring scripture that shows gifts being given other ways.

Typically, you post some misunderstanding of scripture. I refute it with scripture. Then you do not respond. Now you are repeating the same error. I think we may have a less incomprehensible garee style poster.
 
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