Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Nehemiah6]

If they reject the 5 solas then how could God only know how many Catholics are truly saved. Rejection of the 5 solas is basically leaving the only way to salvation. Yes or no?

The official position of the Catholic church may not necessarily be the position of individuals who have been exposed to the true Gospel but have not come out of that church. Only God knows who these are. If you recall Catholics were involved with the Billy Graham crusades. So some might have believed yet failed to move out and move on.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Even if 2 read the Bible on their own without a denomination they can still find interpretation differences.

Correct interpretation can be achieved by comparing scripture with scripture.

And the issue is not so much interpretation, but of ignoring or adding to scripture by theological devices.

The reason for divisions usually boils down to these:

Both parties will either have their own additions, or dismissals of scripture.

Or:

One party will yield to the authority of the scripture, while the other party adds or subtracts from scripture.

Both parties must yield to the authority of scripture (as little children) and let them stand as written without adding or subtracting from them.

For:

There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand (Proverbs 19:21).

 

[Blik]

I understand but wouldn't you agree that a unbeliever Biblically cannot find salvation on his own merits? What do you preach to unbelievers about salvation? Reason I ask is in your opinion does Catholicism lead to salvation? If no then wouldn't you be afraid that your friends destination would be the same?

Many people on here says it doesn't lead to salvation.

Mostly, the answer to most of your questions is I don't know.

I love the Lord and I know all His ways are perfect and I study them constantly and talk about what I learn. But the bottom line, the core of everything, is taking out sins to Christ. My studies lead me to believe that God never wanted His children to disregard the feasts. Most true Christians, ones who accept all God tells them to the best of their ability, believe I am wrong. I am certain, to the best of my understanding, that our salvation does not hinge on believing God's way, whether that way is to honor the feasts or to think that the new covenant made the feasts obsolete. Yet it is important to me to search for the truth of this. We can be wrong in something and be saved. I am sure there are saved people whose beliefs are on either side of this issue. Same for being a Catholic or Protestant.

Again, the bottom line is becoming a child of God through Christ. That is a teaching of the Catholic church as well as the Protestant.

 

[Runningman]

Where do they differ and why?
Do both lead to salvation? Why or why not?
How should we treat each other?

The Bible says that the plan of salvation is believing in Jesus Christ as Savior. No preconditions are added, meaning that if you at least believe that Jesus died to forgive all of humanity of their sins then you're a Christian and are saved. God takes care of the rest.

So no matter what else you believe or do then you're saved. The Bible doesn't say you can lose your salvation or that it's dependent on status of Catholic or Protestant. It doesn't say if you sin once, twice, or a million times you're unsaved.

People can still be a Christian and get doctrine wrong, have bad behavior, etc. We should treat each other with love and forgiveness and use the Word to try to correct and encourage each other.

 

[Matt72123]

Having personal experience with both, those labels nor any denomination matters. What matters is whether you know Jesus and He knows you - Matthew 7:21-23. It's not about religion - it's the relationship.

 

[Jackson123]

So figures like Mother Teresa, St Nicholas, St Patrick, St Valentine, etc are in Hell?

Yep, It doesn't matter figur like Mahatma Gandhi If not follow Jesus teaching by accept His teaching not go to heaven

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/world/asia/mother-teresa-critic.html

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Mostly, the answer to most of your questions is I don't know.

I love the Lord and I know all His ways are perfect and I study them constantly and talk about what I learn. But the bottom line, the core of everything, is taking out sins to Christ. My studies lead me to believe that God never wanted His children to disregard the feasts. Most true Christians, ones who accept all God tells them to the best of their ability, believe I am wrong. I am certain, to the best of my understanding, that our salvation does not hinge on believing God's way, whether that way is to honor the feasts or to think that the new covenant made the feasts obsolete. Yet it is important to me to search for the truth of this. We can be wrong in something and be saved. I am sure there are saved people whose beliefs are on either side of this issue. Same for being a Catholic or Protestant.

Again, the bottom line is becoming a child of God through Christ. That is a teaching of the Catholic church as well as the Protestant.

Thank you for your honesty.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Correct interpretation can be achieved by comparing scripture with scripture.

And the issue is not so much interpretation, but of ignoring or adding to scripture by theological devices.

The reason for divisions usually boils down to these:

Both parties will either have their own additions, or dismissals of scripture.

Or:

One party will yield to the authority of the scripture, while the other party adds or subtracts from scripture.

Both parties must yield to the authority of scripture (as little children) and let them stand as written without adding or subtracting from them.

For:

There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand (Proverbs 19:21).

So who is right? Is your interpretation 100% correct and should everyone adopt it? Who is them we should reject? Do we have a list?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The Bible says that the plan of salvation is believing in Jesus Christ as Savior. No preconditions are added, meaning that if you at least believe that Jesus died to forgive all of humanity of their sins then you're a Christian and are saved. God takes care of the rest.

So no matter what else you believe or do then you're saved. The Bible doesn't say you can lose your salvation or that it's dependent on status of Catholic or Protestant. It doesn't say if you sin once, twice, or a million times you're unsaved.

People can still be a Christian and get doctrine wrong, have bad behavior, etc. We should treat each other with love and forgiveness and use the Word to try to correct and encourage each other.

By faith alone in Christ alone is salvation. Correct? It would seem Nehemiah would disagree with your statement Runningman. How would you respond to Nehemiah? If the Catholic rejected the 5 solas?

[QUOTE="Roughsoul1991, post: 4195600, member: 245751"] Where do they differ and why?

The Catholic Church rejects the Five Solas of the Protestants and that sums up the difference (as noted in Theopedia):

The Five Solas are five Latin phrases (or slogans) that emerged from the Protestant Reformation intended to summarize the Reformers' basic theological principles in contrast to certain teachings of the Roman Catholic Church of the day. "Sola" is Latin meaning "alone" or "only" and the corresponding phrases are:

• Sola Fide, by faith alone.
• Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
• Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
• Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
• Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.

While Catholicism leads to spiritual confusion, only God knows how many Catholics are truly saved. People can be saved in spite of their denominations.

Respect practicing Catholics and show them the love of Christ.

At the same expose the heresies of the clerical hierarchy and the institutional Church of Rome through Scripture.[/QUOTE]

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yep, It doesn't matter figur like Mahatma Gandhi If not follow Jesus teaching by accept His teaching not go to heaven

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/world/asia/mother-teresa-critic.html

Who gets Jesus's teachings correct 100%? Any denomination? How wrong does someone have to be who accepts Christ?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

So who is right?

Those who yield to the scriptures without adding or taking away from it.

Is your interpretation 100% correct

Again, it's not about interpretation. The scriptures have already been interpreted from the original languages into many.

It about submission to the scripture.

Who is them we should reject? Do we have a list?

Anyone who teaches contrary to the doctrine learned from scripture.

For example, you and other people approach a building. There are two sets of doors. One says ENTER, the other says EXIT.

Those who enter through the doors that say ENTER are the ones that go on the good list; follow them.

Those who enter through the doors that say EXIT go on the bad list; do not follow them.

 

[Lafftur]

Anyone who teaches contrary to the doctrine learned from scripture.

For example, you and other people approach a building. There are two sets of doors. One says ENTER, the other says EXIT.

Those who enter through the doors that say ENTER are the ones that go on the good list; follow them.

Those who enter through the doors that say EXIT go on the bad list; do not follow them.

I use the door that says GRACE.

It’s the red door covered with the blood of Yeshua/Jesus- the slain Lamb of God.

 

[bojack]

Here's 4 and I got more
1. Jesus is Worthy, He doesn't need any help from Mary being God or saving us ... And he who loves father and mother more than me is not worthy of me , or he who loves son or daughter is not worthy of me
2. The pope is not the vicar ''in stead of'' Christ on earth ..
3. Were any of those elected and approved Saints of the RCC any different from these effeminate priests we have today ..
4. Look at some of the torture machines the RCC invented or approved of .. How many think you can convince Christians ever could do that .. Christians will whip you for correction, shoot you, then heal you back to health, feed you , then try you and if found guilty will swiftly execute you ..

 

[Lafftur]

Denominations divide believers. It’s best to just lift up Yeshua/Jesus.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Those who yield to the scriptures without adding or taking away from it.



Again, it's not about interpretation. The scriptures have already been interpreted from the original languages into many.

It about submission to the scripture.



Anyone who teaches contrary to the doctrine learned from scripture.

For example, you and other people approach a building. There are two sets of doors. One says ENTER, the other says EXIT.

Those who enter through the doors that say ENTER are the ones that go on the good list; follow them.

Those who enter through the doors that say EXIT go on the bad list; do not follow them.

Again, it's not about interpretation. The scriptures have already been interpreted from the original languages into many.

It about submission to the scripture.

Then there should be a Christian church or true Christian church that holds to the doctrine of scripture. Yes or no? Who is right? Which group? I am guessing your view of scripture is correct, right? So if someone contradicts your view then they are on the bad list that leads to Hell?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Then there should be a Christian church or true Christian church that holds to the doctrine of scripture. Yes or no?

Yes. Like the church in the book of Acts.

Who is right? Which group?

Huh? I answered this already.

I am guessing your view of scripture is correct, right?

Are you reading my posts?

Why are you stuck on VIEWS and INTERPRETATIONS?

So if someone contradicts your view then they are on the bad list that leads to Hell?

Again, when did I say anything about correct views?

 

[Jackson123]

Who gets Jesus's teachings correct 100%? Any denomination? How wrong does someone have to be who accepts Christ?

Every body think he have the right interpretation. But as long as they believe bible as a foundation and good attitude, honest.

Catholic use different foundation, not only binle, that is the different.

It doesn't mean every protestant honest, some are work for money as well.

But catholic officialy use source other than bible.

For Example pray to Mary, purgatory, pope have a power to discount purgatory time.

For Example a must go 1000 years in purgatory, pope issue a law If A do this he only go 900 years in purgatory.
To me That doctrine is far from the bible

 

[Adstar]

Where do they differ and why?
Do both lead to salvation? Why or why not?
How should we treat each other?

The huge variance within the protestant churches makes it impossible to lump them all into one group as if they are the same..

But indeed the roman catholic church is false.. They even have the doctrine of Purgatory.. A place where Catholics go after death to be purged from their sins.. They even ask people to pray for the dead so that their time in this place is shortened.. Any true Christian will know that Jesus fully paid the price of our sins of the cross and if we believe Him and trust in His atonement then we are being purged of our sins constantly and will never have to go and pay for our own sins in a place called Purgatory after we die.. Denial of the sufficiency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus to pay the price of our sins is an Anti-Christ teaching..

 

[Lafftur]

Yes. Like the church in the book of Acts.


Huh? I answered this already.


Are you reading my posts?

Why are you stuck on VIEWS and INTERPRETATIONS?



Again, when did I say anything about correct views?

You know, I think Yeshua/Jesus would just simply say to all of us.....

“There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death. Follow Me.”

 

[Micaiah-imla]

“There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death. Follow Me.”

Absolutely correct.

Which is why obedience to scripture is paramount.

Great point!