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dcontroversal said:
Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness....

THE BIGGEST, MOST FATAL error that leads to hell in this age is CONFLATING the truth that FAITH alone has ALWAYS saved the believer with the CONDITIONAL COVENANT of BLESSING IN THE LAND which was based UPON OBEDIENCE.......
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Abraham was declared righteous before he was circumcised, therefore can be used as a type of NT believer. But we are not identical especially in what was believed to become righteous.

Agree, in this age, faith alone saves, no more of works.
 
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John146 said:
Abraham was declared righteous before he was circumcised, therefore can be used as a type of NT believer. But we are not identical especially in what was believed to become righteous.

Agree, in this age, faith alone saves, no more of works.
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It has never been about works..........EVER, not in ANY age or time frame..........

I am the LORD thy GOD, I CHANGE NOT........the covenant of FAITH has been the same from the beginning when it comes to the salvation of the soul!
 
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dcontroversal said:
It has never been about works..........EVER, not in ANY age or time frame..........

I am the LORD thy GOD, I CHANGE NOT........the covenant of FAITH has been the same from the beginning when it comes to the salvation of the soul!
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Also, what do you think of the following verse? “In the beginning of the gospel...”.

Philippians 4:15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
 
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Judges1318 said:
That's exactly what the osas church does.
They say, "I am safe because I'm the temple of the Lord, I'm the temple of the Lord".

Now reread that passage with that in mind. They trust in deceptive words if they think being the temple of the Lord makes them safe--safe to hate and murder in the name of correctness of doctrine.
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Debating about doctrine can get passionate. It is much like how debating politics can get passionate as well. The way I see it is there is a big difference between heated debate and hate or murder. If unkind and harsh words are exchanged, it doesn't mean there is hate but it shows that we all sin and make mistakes in life.

The Holy Spirit indwells those who receive Jesus. I believe this is how a person is the temple of God when the Holy Spirit indwells him/her. I believe the Holy Spirit is a Spirit of love and the closer one walks with Jesus, the more love one will demonstrate to others. We are not perfect or sinless by any stretch of the imagination but Jesus is perfect and he came for you and me and everyone here too. His word is true and we can trust in him and depend on him.
 
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Psalm 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven,whose son is covered.
Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity and in whose spirit there is no guile.
 
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BillG said:
Hi

I hope you don't me saying but you are being aggressive and personal which you normally haven't been. That's unusual for you.

Yes you attack doctrine but not people. Seems you are now attacking both.

@mailmandan is one of the most patient people on here. He does not attack people yet you attack him.
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Thank you brother. :) We have not heard from Judges1318 since March 2nd and yesterday I asked what happened to "Dennis the Menace?" (joking nickname for Judges1318) at 5:28 am and by 8:00 am, he responded with this below: :eek:

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You people do not know the depth of wickedness that you dwell in. And your osas doctrine keeps you from seeing it.
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Judges1318 said:
You're making my point exactly. And you don't even realize it.

What business is it of your's of where and when I'm on the internet?

I don't think you know what faith in God really means. You do not show that you do. You are stuck in the false security of (so-called) knowledge, not in the life of Christ. You have yet to 'see' Christ.
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I was also shocked by his aggressive, personal attack on me and others in the OSAS camp, which is unusual for him. o_O When I originally asked what happened to "Dennis the Menace," I had a feeling he was lurking on Christian Chat and that my post would flush him out and I was absolutely right! ;)
 
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mailmandan said:
I was also shocked by his aggressive, personal attack on me and others in the OSAS camp, which is unusual for him. o_O When I originally asked what happened to "Dennis the Menace," I had a feeling he was lurking on Christian Chat and that my post would flush him out and I was absolutely right! ;)
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No, that's not what happened. I've been out of the forum and was just checking in to see what's going on I saw your backbiting remarks and I thought, 'these babies need to grow up'.

Your behavior shows you are either a baby in Christ or not saved at all. Since you think it above my pay grade to decide, then you tell me--which is it? Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all? Until you get to the 4th type of soil, you can't begin to think that you might be always saved. Only mature people in Christ have any boast of not falling back to the world in unbelief. You're not there yet. Your behavior shows that.

See, you're all about correctness of doctrine, not actually living for Christ. You think your so-called knowledge means you're safe in Christ. Not even remotely true. The church is big on doctrine, as if that's what it means to 'believe', and they're not so big on actually living out the faith. It's a disgrace.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness....

THE BIGGEST, MOST FATAL error that leads to hell in this age is CONFLATING the truth that FAITH alone has ALWAYS saved the believer with the CONDITIONAL COVENANT of BLESSING IN THE LAND which was based UPON OBEDIENCE.......
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this was my error too. i think its the same thing in new covenant people mix justification with sanctification.

and they just love to condemn others to hell so much. so they say "i dont know about that hey i dont know. can you be doing that and be saved? not saved not saved not saved" they just love it. other people's sins are always different than your own. its the elitism attitude and pride.
 
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Judges1318 said:
No, that's not what happened. I've been out of the forum and was just checking in to see what's going on I saw your backbiting remarks and I thought, 'these babies need to grow up'.

Your behavior shows you are either a baby in Christ or not saved at all. Since you think it above my pay grade to decide, then you tell me--which is it?
Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all?
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See, you're all about correctness of doctrine, not actually living for Christ. You think your so-called knowledge means you're safe in Christ. Not even remotely true. The church is big on doctrine, as if that's what it means to 'believe', and they're not so big on actually living out the faith. It's a disgrace.
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Which are you?


Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all?
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I am neither
 
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Judges1318 said:
No, that's not what happened. I've been out of the forum and was just checking in to see what's going on I saw your backbiting remarks and I thought, 'these babies need to grow up'.

Your behavior shows you are either a baby in Christ or not saved at all. Since you think it above my pay grade to decide, then you tell me--which is it? Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all? Until you get to the 4th type of soil, you can't begin to think that you might be always saved. Only mature people in Christ have any boast of not falling back to the world in unbelief. You're not there yet. Your behavior shows that.

See, you're all about correctness of doctrine, not actually living for Christ. You think your so-called knowledge means you're safe in Christ. Not even remotely true. The church is big on doctrine, as if that's what it means to 'believe', and they're not so big on actually living out the faith. It's a disgrace.
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You continue to speak condescending and hate speech without posting one scripture. That speaks volumes to the rest of us.
 
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Wake up, you who take false comfort in knowledge and don't actually live out the faith you claim you have:

knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know" - 1 Corinthians 8:1-2

"20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. " - 1 John 4:20

Most people in the osas camp in this forum show over and over again they "do not yet know as they ought to know". You have knowledge, but you don't have knowledge of Christ. You are puffed up with the smugness of your supposed superior osas knowledge but woefully ignorant to the life of the Spirit. You are the modern day Pharisee. You have done to grace what the Pharisees of old did to the law.
 
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John146 said:
You continue to speak condescending and hate speech without posting one scripture. That speaks volumes to the rest of us.
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Hmm....just posted.
Read it, friend.

Your resistance to my Biblical message speaks volumes of you.
You are puffed up with (so-called) knowledge, not filled with the Spirit of Christ in love. You do not know Christ. You know about him. You have yet to grow up.
 
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The majority of this thread is filled with those who quickly rain down proud judgment on anyone who would even quote a scripture that tells us to not sin. Followed by false accusations. And the twisting of scripture here is appalling.

I apologize if my post seemed directed at you or implied anything beyond what was written. I mean, is this what Christianity is? To proclaim that we all still sin regardless of the countless scriptures that exhort us not to sin?
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You have not read this thread then
 
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Melach said:
this was my error too. i think its the same thing in new covenant people mix justification with sanctification.

and they just love to condemn others to hell so much. so they say "i dont know about that hey i dont know. can you be doing that and be saved? not saved not saved not saved" they just love it. other people's sins are always different than your own. its the elitism attitude and pride.
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Then 1 John was written by an elitist.

It's like you people don't even know what the Bible says.
You claim you have superior knowledge, yet you challenge these plainly written texts in the Bible that anyone with eyes can see for themselves.
 
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The Galatians were known by God, but they did not know him. And because of that immaturity they were led astray from faith in Christ. Weak believers have no claim to some kind of osas immunity from falling away. Only 4th type of soil mature believers can even think about never falling away from salvation. Many here have yet to even see the 4th type of soil, let alone actually possess it. I know this by how you behave.

If you truly belong to God, or want to belong to him, you will hear what I'm saying and not resist this Biblical message.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Oh, please!

You believe a false doctrine like most everyone else here does. I don’t expect you to even attempt to extend even the smallest hint of the love of Christ. You guys and gals are soo stuck on imputation of righteousness that you don’t even have a clue of how to even DEMONSTRATE it!
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Maybe that’s because you are in a how one gets saved thread trying to discuss what a saved person should do

Hence you are not comprehending a thing people say because your taking them out of context
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Is this what it’s reduced to?

Even if I did, what does that got to do with all the “sin not” scriptures?

Does your ability to believe a biblical doctrine depend on wether someone else can accomplish it?
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Because your the one screaming everyone here is preaching it’s ok when they sin

So are you sinless?

If not can you admit it?
 
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EleventhHour said:
I wonder what volume this speaks of you, since you obviously are far more sanctified than the rest of us?
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See, while you're busy learning all about and teaching your osas dogma I'm busy learning and teaching all about knowing and living for Christ. You take false comfort out of your so-called knowledge. You think correct doctrine means you know Christ. You are in serious error.
 
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