Demons in our Church.

[Blik]

Don't forget that foreigners will forbidden to eat the rest of unleavened bread and the Passover before the end of the chapter.

This was before the Jews had developed their culture, they are pretty much straight from the Egyptian slave quarters. God had a lot of training of them to do.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

This was before the Jews had developed their culture, they are pretty much straight from the Egyptian slave quarters. God had a lot of training of them to do.

I agree totally

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Is Jesus considered an Israelite, or a Moabite?

He was considered a Jew, born from the tribe of Judah... Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews

God bless my friend

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Chapter and verse, please. Exodus 12:37-38 does not say, "other nations". It says nothing about the Chinese, the Celts, or the Incas being there. My point is that the Mosaic Law is NOT universal, as Blik claims. If you want to argue semantics, please do it with someone else.

If we are only discussing the Chinese and the Incas I will agree with you ...

Seriously now, there are more than one thing to consider here. When Jacob/Israel was on his death bed he blessed Ephraim to become a multitude of nations (melo hagoyim - or fullness of nations)... and when the 10 tribes of Israel was taken away we can clearly see there is a difference between Judah (Jews) and Israel. The OT is full of it and if we don't understand this many things in the OT will not make sense.

Have a blessed day brother Dino

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Part of his universal teaching - yes.

But the Mosaic Covenant & Law was not his universal teaching. It was for Israel.

Dt: 5:2-3 proves that
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive this day.

But Jesus said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel? I don't know about you, but I believe He came for me

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

This is a circular argument and is therefore invalid. It is also a category error.

You are asserting, without evidence, that the Mosaic Law is "universal". That is directly refuted by Romans 2:14 "For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves".

You need to distinguish between different types of laws. Gravity is not in the same category as "Do not murder". Gravity has an effect on persons who will never understand the law not to murder. There is no judgment awaiting those who contravene the "law" of gravity. One does not need to consciously and cautiously abide by the "law" of gravity to remain in right relationship with God. Gravity is a scientifically verified physical phenomenon. "Do not murder" is a command.

All people, regardless of ethnicity, are invited to come into relationship with God through faith in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ, not through the Mosaic Law. That simply wasn't its purpose.

My friend you make a valid point. Have you ever made an effort to read "the law"? It so interesting when I ask people this. From a Christian perspective you will automatically keep the majority of the moral laws... We are arguing about things we don't understand read it, use it don't use it.

 

[Bede]

But Jesus said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel? I don't know about you, but I believe He came for me

Jesus came for all but the Moasaic Law was not for all. It was for the Israelites.
The New Covenant with its laws is for all who wish to enter it.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Jesus came for all but the Moasaic Law was not for all. It was for the Israelites.
The New Covenant with its laws is for all who wish to enter it.

So Jesus changed his mind after He said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel? I don't think that would, could, should be Biblical .

 

[Bede]

So Jesus changed his mind after He said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel? I don't think that would, could, should be Biblical .

We don't know whether Jesus was speaking literally or was testing the woman who was a Canannite.
But Jesus' mission came first to the Jews.
When he sent out the twelve they were to go only to the Jews (Mt 10:6), not gentiles.

But of course his mission was universal. Thus he told the apostles to go out preach the gospel to all nations (Mt 28:19).

 

[blue_ladybug]

Jesus didn't come for the righteous, He came for sinners..

 

[Dino246]

My friend you make a valid point. Have you ever made an effort to read "the law"? It so interesting when I ask people this. From a Christian perspective you will automatically keep the majority of the moral laws... We are arguing about things we don't understand read it, use it don't use it.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "Have you ever made an effort to read 'the law'". I have read the entire Bible many times.

I agree, we as Christians normally keep the moral laws, but I don't separate the Mosaic Law into parts, because Scripture doesn't do so.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I'm not sure what you mean by, "Have you ever made an effort to read 'the law'". I have read the entire Bible many times.

I agree, we as Christians normally keep the moral laws, but I don't separate the Mosaic Law into parts, because Scripture doesn't do so.

We can't keep the sacrificial laws anymore. Jesus took that on himself on the cross. But I see your heart my friend

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

We don't know whether Jesus was speaking literally or was testing the woman who was a Canannite.
But Jesus' mission came first to the Jews.
When he sent out the twelve they were to go only to the Jews (Mt 10:6), not gentiles.

But of course his mission was universal. Thus he told the apostles to go out preach the gospel to all nations (Mt 28:19).

Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel and that is also what he said to his disciples in Matthew 10 .

If you read carefully you will see that the Canannite woman understood that she was a dog (somebody out of covenant) but she wanted in. She knew there was something special about Jesus/Yeshua and remember one thing, Jesus could not transgress the law. So how could he allow this woman to be saved before the cross? You see it is in the law that when you accept YHVH as your Elohim you become part of the nation Israel. It was always something spiritual and not DNA driven like we always argue. The Jews are quick to remind us about their heritage but the Jews are strictly speaken only Judah (where the word Jew come from) and Benjamin. The rest of the 10 tribes were taken away in the book of Kings. Remember the parable of the two brothers? One house, one took his heritage and left (Israel) the other one stayed with his father (the Jews in covenant). Why do you think the Jews are so upset when they see the Christians starting to understand the law and feasts of YHVH? If we look at the reaction of the older brother you see the Jews today the word of God is perfect and amazing my friend.

That is also why the Bible mention the slaves (mixed multitude) and that Ephraim would become a multitude of nations? Israel is more spiritual than physical and it is in God's law.

God bless my friend

 

[Lightskin]

Demons are led to our churches to fight God effectively. They try to plant ideas in its members that oppose God.

Leftist swine who have infiltrated mainline denominations have a saying regarding their corruption: One spirit, differing ideas. I informed them God is not the author of confusion.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I'm not sure what you mean by, "Have you ever made an effort to read 'the law'". I have read the entire Bible many times.

I agree, we as Christians normally keep the moral laws, but I don't separate the Mosaic Law into parts, because Scripture doesn't do so.

And that is why I don't understand the argument. We should be keeping God's word... not for our salvation (we do have Jesus) but because we are obedient

Enjoy your day Dino.

We will have load shedding from 16h00 this afternoon and traffic is not joke while we have load shedding grrr

 

[Lightskin]

If we don’t have sin

Strawman argument.

 

[8084cc]

The modern church is geared towards being a corporation than a holy place of truth and worship. Deamons don't need to do much when men plan on serving Mammon rather than God before they stand behind the pulpit. They do a good job thwarting the truth in the word of God for the love of money's sake.

 

[Whispered]

Not at the point in time when the scripture in question was happening.

Please prove that with scripture.

 

[Whispered]

I think we will always be back to this. Any Denomination or teaching that seeks to eradicate the Jews from Christianity is Satanic. If we ignore those, because the followers of such things will not be rebuked and be satisfied with that, we don't have to come back to certain aspects of the discussion as pertains to Gods eternal law.
As you observed, Jesus said He had other sheep who were not of "this fold", and He must bring them in also. So that there is one flock and one shepherd.
Another consideration concerning those Satanic doctrines. When they teach the laws of God are no longer applicable, they're teaching what can be recalled as, easy believerism. And also, hedonistic, carnal, faith practiced, because that teaching means also that sin is no longer an issue for those type believers. They can do whatever they like, because sin does not exist where there is no law.

The conflicting argument of that which is either Doctrine dedicated to anti-Judaism/Jewish or worse, antisemitism, often cites Saul as supporting the doctrine. Nothing could be further from truth.(*Saul/Paul) is my addition to the sentence below.
Benson Commentary
Romans 3:29-31. Is he the God of the Jews only? — He (*Saul/Paul) argues from the absurdity of such a supposition. Can it be imagined that a God of infinite love and mercy should limit and confine his favours to the little perverse people of the Jews, leaving all the rest of mankind in an eternally desperate condition? That would by no means agree with the idea we have of the divine goodness, for his tender mercies are over all his works. He is the God of the Gentiles also — And therefore hath established a way of justification, equally open to the Gentiles as to the Jews. Seeing it is one God — The same eternal and unchangeable Jehovah, that will justify the circumcision — The Jews, by faith; and the uncircumcision — The Gentiles, through the same faith — As if he had said, The way of justification is the same to both, whatever difference men may make in their expressions about it. He shows mercy to both, and by the very same means. Macknight thinks the expression, δια πιστεως, through faith, in the latter clause, is an ellipsis, for through the law of faith, mentioned Romans 3:27, (where see the note,) and signifies the method of salvation by faith, established in the new covenant, called a law for the reasons there given. “By this law of faith the Gentiles are to be justified. For though they have not the doctrines of revelation, as the objects of their faith, they may believe the doctrines of natural religion, (Hebrews 11:5,) and live agreeably to them: in which case their faith will be counted to them for righteousness, equally as the faith of those who enjoy revelation.” The same learned writer supposes, that in the expression, seeing there is one God, the apostle alludes to Zechariah 14:8, where the prophet foretels the progress of the gospel, under the image of living waters going out from Jerusalem, and then adds, Romans 3:9, And the Lord shall be king over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name one; to show, that under the gospel dispensation, all nations shall be regarded by God as his people, that he will be acknowledged and worshipped by all nations, and that in the affair of their justification and salvation, he will observe one rule. Do we then — While we maintain this method of justification and salvation, make void the law — Set it aside, or render it useless, as καταργουμεν properly signifies; through faith — By teaching that justification is by faith, and that it is free for the Gentiles, as well as the Jews, in that way? God forbid — That we should ever insinuate such a design, or entertain such a thought; yea, we establish the law — On a firmer foundation than ever, and place it in a juster and more beautiful point of light: for we show that its honour is displayed in the atonement, as well as in the obedience of Christ; and we make it of everlasting use, for attesting the truth, and illustrating the necessity of the gospel, as well as for directing the lives of men, when they profess to have received it. In other words, we establish the authority, the purity, and the end of it; by defending that which the law attests, by pointing out Christ the end of it, and by showing how the moral part of it may be fulfilled in its purity. For through the influence of a faith that worketh by love, being enabled to love God, his children, and all mankind in sincerity and truth, we are brought to serve him without slavish fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, and to walk in his ordinances and moral commandments blameless. So that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, while we walk, not after the flesh, but after the Spirit; love to God and man, productive of such fruits, being accounted by God the fulfilling of the law, Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:14; James 2:8. Thus also that more ancient and universal law, which God has written on men’s hearts, and which we have termed the law of nature, is established in the strongest manner in and by the gospel. For every one that makes the moral law of Moses the rule of his conduct, will also observe the precepts of this, as included therein.

@Bede, don't just disagree and leave. Make an argument as to why you disagree. Thanks.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Please prove that with scripture.

So you think that a people roaming about the desert on day one were making proselytes, hiring foreigners as servants, and that these who just left slavery had slaves themselves.

Why do you bother talking to me?

So while God did indeed give them the ordinance of circumcision, right after leaving Egypt, there is no doubt that there wasn't a line to join their ranks and they became exiled to the desert.