Eternal Hell, Annihilationism, or Universalism?

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Lol well first of all, my mistake. You didn't mention the verse about the book of life in exodus but one of the verses in revelation.

Regardless quoting a partial verse out of context paired with the claims like we are just "matter" in the womb are what made me very confused about your beliefs.

Then when questioned you did claim that your beliefs were "obviously" in line with my questions.


If you use a verse out of context, it doesn't mean you are objectively incorrect in your understanding OF IT.


Let's start over.
(if you want)


Do you not believe in the lake of fire?


Your beliefs are still as confusing to me now as they were when I made my first statement.
It’s too long to explain.

That verse was quoted about the position of annihilation.

Nothing to do with the womb. The born confusion started from the person who got confused. I was agreeing with them about nihilism and being reduced to nothingness, the state we were before conception.

It’s fine go on with your day no need to beat a dead horse lol.
 

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It’s too long to explain.

That verse was quoted about the position of annihilation.

Nothing to do with the womb. The born confusion started from the person who got confused. I was agreeing with them about nihilism and being reduced to nothingness, the state we were before conception.

It’s fine go on with your day no need to beat a dead horse lol.
Lol.

So long as you don't think that babies in the womb are just "matter" then I think we are alright.

You think those who go to hell before hell is tossed into the lake of fire become nothing?

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

What would you say of these verses?
 
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Besides the points that in contradicts a bunch of verses? And logical reasoning on love?

If you were going to have 10 children and you knew 8 would go to hell forever and ever and ever but only 2 would be with you....would you still create them?

If majority of people with limited capacity of love wouldn’t how much so god.

Everlasting is of age of an age or age singular of ages plural not necessarily meaning never ending.

The smoke of their torment can easily be the smoke rising, even if forever doesn’t mean you need actual beings to be tortured consciously.

And that could be hell before the second death which seems absolute and totally destructive in nature.

Then it’s basically they are already in hell, god takes them out, judges them, then throws them in hell again, then throws them in the lake of fire which is what Super hell?

Also ever think everlasting punishment could mean actual death non existence? That’s a pretty tough punishment being wiped out of existence and it satisfied the definition of forever and ever if meaning never ending.

Which would line up with the wages of sin are death as another poster mentioned. Or else it should be the wages of sin are everlasting conscious torments.

Not to mention it contradicts making everything a new and having a little section where evil still exists in the universe.

You have my reasoning on everlasting hell in the OP, just repeating myself.

And none of this matters Really because I didn’t ask for people to defend or push their opinions, I simply asked for people who have studied all 3 to post their thoughts on each. The purpose of this was to get general understanding on each position.
 

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How about a partial universalist doctrine. Maybe God is going to eventually destroy only those that insist on their evil ways. Maybe God is going to give everyone, including those now deceived, a chance to know and serve Him. Wouldn't that be great? Maybe scripture even hints at that.

God is not going to tolerate evil to continue forever, which was introduced by Satan during his rebellion. The kindest thing for the third of the fallen angels, and any humans determined to embrace evil, is to destroy them. God tells us that is exactly their destiny. View attachment 212855
I go only on what the Bible declares.. So i disagree with universalism and God clearly says that those who are cast into the eternal lake of fire will be in torment for ever and ever..

Revelation 20: KJV
10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

So i believe what the Bible reveals..
 
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Even from someone trying to argue for eternal hell.

“Third is the argument from the word eternal. In hell passages, it is claimed, eternal means only pertaining to “the age to come” and not “everlasting.” It is true that in the New Testament, eternal means “agelong,” with the context defining the age. And in texts treating eternal destinies, eternal does refer to the age to come. But the age to come lasts as long as the life of the eternal God Himself. Because He is eternal—He “lives forever and ever”

It means one thing but.... let’s somehow tie it to god everlasting and assume it means the same.
 
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Lol.

So long as you don't think that babies in the womb are just "matter" then I think we are alright.

You think those who go to hell before hell is tossed into the lake of fire become nothing?

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

What would you say of these verses?
Those in Revelation 14 received no sabbath rest, no rest day nor night in their work in these bodies of death .Like that of Cain.

Hell the living suffering of this corrupted world is the wage of sin. The wrath of God being revealed from heaven .

When a persons body of death does die the smoke or reminder of the torment they received while alive will rise forever and ever in order to show there is no spirit life. . in a corrupted creation.

Those who have received a new born again spirit will rise on the last day

The letter of the law death that caused the living suffering will be cast into the lake of fire .The letter of the law will never rise again and condemn though corruption(in dying dying death) a entire creation.
 
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Those in Revelation 14 received no sabbath rest, no rest day nor night in their work in these bodies of death .Like that of Cain.

Hell the living suffering of this corrupted world is the wage of sin. The wrath of God being revealed from heaven .

When a persons body of death does die the smoke or reminder of the torment they received while alive will rise forever and ever in order to show there is no spirit life. . in a corrupted creation.

Those who have received a new born again spirit will rise on the last day

The letter of the law death that caused the living suffering will be cast into the lake of fire .The letter of the law will never rise again and condemn though corruption(in dying dying death) a entire creation.
Can you expand upon this in more layman’s terms tying to the law and New Testament. Thanks
 
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Yeah making it up as I go along, I forgot we existed in some I guess god pool of souls before conception..... we always existed like Christ.
Sounds like the father of lies the god of this world. "I have always existed just as the world we live in" it will surely not die.

We must start in the beginning and acknowledge who performed the work of faith .Creating the things seen. Seeing we know he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires. For he perform the things that are appointed to us giving us a desire and power to work them out. Not work to gain but to show he is working in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

You say we always existed like Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. Is there more than one Spirit of truth?

Can we seek after our own approval?
 
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Sounds like the father of lies the god of this world. "I have always existed just as the world we live in" it will surely not die.

We must start in the beginning and acknowledge who performed the work of faith .Creating the things seen. Seeing we know he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires. For he perform the things that are appointed to us giving us a desire and power to work them out. Not work to gain but to show he is working in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

You say we always existed like Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. Is there more than one Spirit of truth?

Can we seek after our own approval?
I was being sarcastic obviously we didn’t
 

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Reading most recently that majority of the early church fathers were split down the middle between Eternal Hell or Universalism, and some for Annihilationism.

The Unversalism / Annihilationism argument is basically forever and ever / everlasting being mis categorized in the greek as meaning of Ages of Ages, a temporary time period for both words, and no concept of Eternal Hell ever mentioned in the OT.

My own logical reasoning has been.

1. God needs nothing
2. He knows everything / the future / pre-knowledge
3. He is loving and just
4. The concept of Eternal Conscious Hell is non existent in the OT, just destruction / unconsciousness / death.

Yet not needing anything, knowing majority of his creation would go to everlasting hell, he decided to create it anyway to have fellowship with a few which he never really needed, somehow based out of pure love? Even a completely fallen broken person wouldn't make a decision especially based on pre-knowledge, knowing even one of your children would go to eternal punishment. Majority would choose to forgo all of creation, especially if they have no need for it....

Lastly, how do we reconcile Eternal Hell with countless deaths of innocent children? And sorry the made up doctrine of the "Age of Accountability" doesn't suffice. Nor can we reconcile OT passages of complete and total genocide of other peoples, just because they were born on the wrong side of the border, lineage....

Annihilationism fits with the verses about hell being thrown in the lake of fire, but even then still seems a bit unjust unloving, basically god created a bunch of people knowing majority of them would suffer on this earth, and then temporarily in hell hundreds thousands of years so a few can be saved. Then it's ok because I will return them to a state of non existence still seems like cruel punishment, but palatable logically.

Universalism, everyone gets saved at the end. No it doesn't make preaching the gospel useless. It's you either want a first class ticket to your destination with 0 delays to heaven, or do you want to get lost and take the long horrendous way of maybe hundreds, thousands of years in hell, until you are finally refined and workout your issues to accept Jesus? Logically speaking the most in line with Gods nature of ultimate love and sacrifice, where even Satan himself reconciles with God through his ultimate grace and love.

Eternal Hell, I guess eternal hell can also make sense logical sense with God's nature with an aspect of Annihilationism, as in physically their bodies are tormented forever, but their consciousness is destroyed.

Has anybody researched the three positions in depth? By this I mean actually researched all 3 positions and came to a conclusion, not long held beliefs and providing the typical bible verses to support those beliefs in either of the 3.

the only position that matters is the one Jesus said about hell and it is hot and internal
 
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Can you expand upon this in more layman’s terms tying to the law and New Testament. Thanks
Thanks for the reply and opportunity. I can try.

The law as to the letter the temporal (what we read) kills by showing our helplessness as dead, as dying coming to a end of life.

That kind of law is signified by the name Moses (drawn out) giving us the drawing unseen power of God to call us to mercy as one part of the two witness of God. The law and the prophets. Elias meaning Jehovah (God Almighty as our savior) is God. Elisa is assigned as one who comes by the power of grace the unseen . It is referred to as the law of faith.
Again they work together to create a perfect law .The law of conversion, as two parts working as one they represent the just and justifier of our faith Christ. .

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

In that way in coming to a gospel understanding as that hidden from natural man . the literal temporal must be mixed with the unseen eternal .The letter of the law communes with the unseen spirit or power. The two working as one.Like the Father and Son.

Below Peter is shown not receiving the unseen understanding of the parable. Again as we are informed in Hebrew 4 .Not mixing faith in what is seen or heard = No gospel .No daily sabbath. No daily bread.

Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Same kind of advice wisdom, mixing faith as that seen the letter with the unseen the eternal faith, law of faith.It the two witnesses of God is used in the Luke parable.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.Luke 16:29-31

Its the gospel (Moses and the prophets) that can persuade and cause us to repent, receiving comfort.

It would appear the two witnesses. Death and life will be silenced as the Holy Spirit sends a famine for hearing the gospel prophecy

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 

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I say, let us pray for His revealing, trusting and knowing He is ALL Good, that He knows what He is doing. I can read scripture and understand both interpretations on eternal punishment. I am grateful that He asks that we believe in Him, not in exactly how everything will turn out. He is 100% invested in us and asks that we do the same!!!

I confess that I am not the authority, just that for right now and in the next five minutes....and on and on, I wanna be where He is, not for heaven's sake or avoiding hell's sake, but because He is the BEST place to be.
He is 100% invested in us and asks that we do the same!!! He wants us to come to know Him and His Holy Character, not that we have it all figured out.
 

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FWIW , I believe children who are yet unaccountable will be in heaven at a mature age ''about 33-34'' waiting on and knowing their families who make it to heaven and reunited .. I believe hell is eternal and in hell you still won't have a desire for God, you will hate hell but you still will not want Jesus like the devil and his angels don't .. I base my thoughts on Bible and revelation, dreams, visions, through prayer and fasting .. I had dreams in two successive nights of being in the presence of God then the next night out of the presence of God .. And I believe God has His way of judging those who've never heard the Gospel ..
 
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The Book of Revelation does not say anyone will be forced to bend their knee.. It says everyone will bend their knee.. Once all people see and understand just how Awesome God is they will all be worshiping Him.. Those that are going to be cast into the lake of fire will worship Him because He is God not because they are going to be saved..

Yes you are rusty Hell and the eternal lake of fire are not the same place.. The book of Revelation reveals that Hell will be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. Meaning that hell is a temporary prison of souls.. Note the following passage from the book of revelation.. It reveals that the people in Hell will be gathered from it to face judgement and then Hell will be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire..

Revelation 20: KJV
13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Note how it also reveals all those who's name was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the Lake of fire.. This can only be interpreted as confirming that universalism cannot be true because it is confirming some will be thrown into the Lake of Fire..
It's early here. I'll have to get back to you on that one.
 

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Sheol (Hebrew) Hades (Greek) Hell (English) this is a spirit place. Not the grave where the body decays.

Animals blood could (only cover) "not" take away or remove sin. So, believers such as Abel, David, Isaiah & all others, except Enoch & Elijah (remember, God is Sovereign and He can make exceptions) & all others, at death, went down into Sheol-Hades-Hell.

Sheol-Hades-Hell is the temporary place of paradise for the redeemed. Or torment for the souls of the wicked dead.

Chasma (Greek) a gaping opening is translated "gulf" in its only occurrence found in Lk 16:26. Where it is the canyon separating the torment & paradise/comfort sides of Sheol-Hades-Hell

Prior to Christ's resurrection. Saints/believers were kept & comforted in a place known as Abraham's Bosom (paradise side) Unbelievers want to the punishment/torment side.

Gehenna/Greek, but from a Hebrew name: Geh=valley, henna=Hinnon = Valley of Hinnom. A place where those of Israel that had turned from God. Would sacricice there children in fire to foreign Gods, Baal & Molech. (Jer 19)

Later this valley becomes the common receptacle for all the refuse of the city. A fire always kept burning for dead animals & other filth/garbage.

Grave (English) The place for the fleshly body decays after death. Is not the abode of the soul or spirit

The verb tartaroo, translated "cast down" in 2 Pet 2:4 signifies to consign to Tartarus, which is not Gehenna, sheol, hades nor hell.

Its the place where those angels whose special sin is referred to in that passage are confined "to be reserved unto judgment;" the region is described as "pits of darkness"

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(NOTE: Angels carry the beggers Spirit to Paradise-Abrahams Bosom)

23 And in hell the rich man lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(NOTE Angels carry the rich man to a place far different)

Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as Rachel's soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.
(NOTE: As Rachel's soul was ""departing"" because she had died)

(NOTE: When we die our body goes into the dirt. The real us departs & is carried to eternal life with God or to torment/hell without God. Where we await the grand finale:
Revelation 20:
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(NOTE: This is the White Throne Judgment NO believers here)

Believers go to the Judgment (bema) seat of Christ. Rom 14:10 written to believers see Rom 1:7, 1 Cor 3:9 - 15 written to believers see 1 Cor 1:2, 2 Cor 5:10. written to believers see 2 Cor 1:1.

The topic at the judgment seat of Christ is rewards (rewards can also be lost). Sin & eternal judgment/punishment aren't discussed here. Christ paid for ALL the believers judgment/punnishment on th Cross. Thank you Lord Jesus! Amen
 
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“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

How do we reconcile this verse with eternal punishment? Does it mean just because he’s able doesn’t mean he will? If that’s the case it makes the whole verse meaningless fear him that can do this, but he never will do it.
 
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”Annihilationism
Main article: Annihilationism
As with other Jewish writings of the Second Temple period, the New Testament text distinguishes two words, both translated "Hell" in older English Bibles: Hades, "the grave", and Gehenna where God "can destroy both body and soul". A minority of Christians read this to mean that neither Hades nor Gehenna are eternal but refer to the ultimate destruction of the wicked in the Lake of Fire in a consuming fire, but which because of the Greek words used in translating from the Hebrew text has become confused with Greek myths and ideas. From the sixth century BC onward, the Greeks developed pagan ideas for the dead, and of reincarnation and even transmigration of souls. Christians picked up these pagan beliefs inferred by the Greek of immortality of the soul, or spirit being of a mortal individual, which survives the death of the body of this world and this lifetime, which is at odds and in contrast to the scriptural teaching that the dead go to the grave and know nothing and then at the end, an eternal oblivion of the wicked and an eternal life for the saints. Scripture makes clear that the dead are awaiting resurrection at the last judgment, when Christ comes and also when each person will receive his reward or are part of those lost with the wicked.
The Greek words used for those Bibles written in Greek, came loaded with ideas not in line with the original Hebrew, but since at the time, Greek was used as basically English is used today to communicate between people across the world, it was translated into these Greek words, and giving an incorrect understanding of the penalty of sin. In the Hebrew text when people died they went to Sheol, the grave and the wicked ultimately went to Gehenna which is the consuming by fire. So when the grave or the eternal oblivion of the wicked was translated into Greek, the word Hades was sometimes used, which is a Greek term for the realm of the dead. Nevertheless, the meaning depending on context was the grave, death, or the end of the wicked in which they are ultimately destroyed or perish. So we see where the grave or death or eventual destruction of the wicked, was translated using Greek words that since they had no exact ones to use, became a mix of mistranslation, pagan influence, and Greek myth associated with the word, but its original meaning was simple death or the destruction of the wicked at the end.
Christian mortalism is the doctrine that all men and women, including Christians, must die, and do not continue and are not conscious after death. Therefore, annihilationism includes the doctrine that "the wicked" are also destroyed rather than tormented forever in traditional "Hell" or the lake of fire. Christian mortalism and annihilationism are directly related to the doctrine of conditional immortality, the idea that a human soul is not immortal unless it is given eternal life at the Second Coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead. Such a belief is based on the many texts which state that the wicked perish:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 (KJV)."For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been." Obadiah 1:15–16(KJV).
Annihilationism asserts that God will eventually destroy or annihilate the wicked when they are consumed in the Lake of Fire at the end, leaving only the righteous to live on in immortality. Conditional immortality asserts that souls are naturally mortal, and those who reject Christ are separated from the sustaining power of God, thus dying off on their own.
This is seen in the texts making clear the alternatives at the end are to perish or to have eternal, everlasting life:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23 (KJV)
And that the consequence for sin at the day of judgment when God will judge both the living and the dead when He appears is death, not burning forever. God's gift is eternal life, very different from the penalty of sin:
"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished." 2 Peter 2:9. (KJV)."As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." Matthew 13:40 (KJV)."So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:49–50 (KJV).
The mortality of the soul has been held throughout the history of both Judaism and Christianity,[32][33] with many biblical scholars looking at the issue through the Hebrew text, have denied the teaching of innate immortality.[34][35] Rejection of the immortality of the soul, and advocacy of Christian mortalism, was a feature of Protestantism since the early days of the Reformation with Martin Luther himself rejecting the traditional idea, though his view did not carry into orthodox Lutheranism. One of the most notable English opponents of the immortality of the soul was Thomas Hobbes who describes the idea as a Greek "contagion" in Christian doctrine.[36] Modern proponents of conditional immortality include as denominations the Seventh-day Adventists, Bible Students, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, and some other Protestant Christians.
 
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Universal reconciliationEdit
Main articles: Christian Universalism and Universal reconciliation
Universal reconciliation is the doctrine or belief of some Christians that all will receive salvationbecause of the love and mercy of God. Universal reconciliation does not commit one to the position that one can be saved apart from Christ. It only commits one to the position that all will eventually be saved through Christ. Neither does universal reconciliation commit one to the position that there is no Hell or damnation—Hell can well be the consuming fire through which Christ refines those who turn from him. Universal reconciliation only claims that one day Death and Hades themselves will be destroyed and all immortal souls will be reconciled to Him.
It was traditionally claimed by some western scholars such as the Universalist historian George T. Knight (1911) and Pierre Batiffol(English translation 1914) that a form of universal salvation could be found among some theologians in early Christianity.[40]Origen interpreted the New Testament's reference (Acts 3:21) to a "restoration of all things", (Greek: apocatastasis of all things), as meaning that sinners might be restored to God and released from Hell, returning the universe to a state identical to its pure beginnings.[41]This theory of apocatastasis could be easily interpreted[who?] to imply that even devils would be saved, as was the case during the later Origenist controversies.[citation needed]Greek orthodox scholars do not count Gregory of Nyssa (AD 331–395) as a believer in Universal Salvation.[42]
In the 17th century, a belief in Christian universalism appeared in England and traveled over to what has become the present-day US Christian Universalists such as Hosea Ballouargued that Jesus taught Universalist principles including universal reconciliation and the divine origin and destiny of all souls. Ballou also argued that some Universalist principles were taught or foreshadowed in the Old Testament. Critics of universalism maintain that the Bible does not teach universal salvation,[43]while proponents insist that it does.
Recent examples of advocates for the position are Kallistos Ware, a Greek Orthodox bishop and retired University of Oxford theologian who states that many of the 'Fathers of Church' postulated the idea of salvation for all, and Saint Silouan of Mt. Athos, who argued that the compassion and love of those in heaven and on earth will extend to eliminating suffering even in hell. In terms of Biblical citations, Father David A. Fisher, Pastor of St. Anthony of Padua Maronite Church and professor of philosophy at Ohio Central State University, has argued that total reconciliation seems to arise from the First Epistle to the Corinthians such as 1 Corinthians 15:22, "As all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ", and 1 Corinthians 15:28, "God will be all in all."[44] Verses that seem to contradict the tradition of complete damnation and come up in arguments also include Lamentations 3:31–33 (NIV), "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love",[45] and 1 Timothy 4:10(NIV), "We have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe”
 
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Free will
Some apologists argue that Hell exists because of free will, and that Hell is a choice rather than an imposed punishment. Jonathan L. Kvanvig writes:[37]

[C.S.] Lewis believes that the doors of hell are locked from the inside rather than from the outside. Thus, according to Lewis, if escape from hell never happens, it is not because God is not willing that it should happen. Instead, residence in hell is eternal because that is just what persons in hell have chosen for themselves.​
Similarly, Dave Hunt (1996) writes:

We may rest assured that no one will suffer in hell who could by any means have been won to Christ in this life. God leaves no stone unturned to rescue all who would respond to the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit.[38]
An example from popular culture can be found in the graphic novel series The Sandman. In it, souls go to Hell because they believe that they deserve to, rather than being condemned to it by God or Satan.[39]
 
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Also of note God's fire in the bible has always been either correcting or total destruction. The whole concept of everlasting fire that doesn't totally consume it's subject especially for all eternity seems fairly new, even Luther himself didn't truly believe in everlasting hell.... Throughout church history with Catholics, Orthodox, Early Protestants the consensus seemed like correcting fire leading to salvation or destruction of the dead....