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Genesis 3:15 and what really happened in the garden of Eden
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Everything you need to confirm I am able to help. Aren't you familiar with the parable of the mustard seed?
Holy Roman Catholicism even if you wanted to become Roman Catholic. My Church is presently in eclipse. There is a solution however.
And instead of mocking me and making fun of this. The news is not good. And there's much to learn. Hell is an awful place.
Maybe ask a simple question. What if you are wrong regarding your salvation?
I apologize if I am confused regarding cyber web sites. I'll get better. And as far as you recommending that people ignore
this thread...that's blood on your hands. On the other hand do you think you know it all. Everybody should listen to you right?
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No is one mocking, I was raised Catholic so I know of which I speak.
Catholicism is one big indoctrination camp ... it has a thin veneer of truth which attempts to cover its monstrous evil underbelly!
Also, I see that I am not articulating well. I suffer from dry eyes and I cannot find my eye drops. I refuse to let this prevent me from helping those who care to learn.
Nope, that is not what happened, that is not what the Bible says. Adam and Eve have sex for the first time in Genesis 4, which is after they are banished from Eden.
What happened in the Garden is that there was a tree called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God had given mankind authority over everything in the creation and told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruit of any of the trees except for this tree and God forewarned them that in the day they ate of it that they would die.
You then have the dragon, an animal, and this is Satan. The dragon deceived the woman by telling her the first Three Lies, which is the first sin. Being deceived by the animal, their inferior whom they should have never listened to to begin with, the woman ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. She then gave to Adam the fruit and he ate.
God then curses man to have to toil all the days of his life for disobeying God and throwing his God-given authority away to the world. God curses woman to have pain in childbirth and to serve her husband because she disobeyed and was deceived. Finally God curses the dragon above all the other animals because he is the father of the sins and the father of the lies and is the one ultimately responsible for all of this and he will never have any hope for redemption, but the Lord Jesus will return and utterly defeat Satan and slay him and throw him away forever into the burning lake of fire, amen.
What happened in the Garden is that there was a tree called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God had given mankind authority over everything in the creation and told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruit of any of the trees except for this tree and God forewarned them that in the day they ate of it that they would die.
You then have the dragon, an animal, and this is Satan. The dragon deceived the woman by telling her the first Three Lies, which is the first sin. Being deceived by the animal, their inferior whom they should have never listened to to begin with, the woman ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. She then gave to Adam the fruit and he ate.
God then curses man to have to toil all the days of his life for disobeying God and throwing his God-given authority away to the world. God curses woman to have pain in childbirth and to serve her husband because she disobeyed and was deceived. Finally God curses the dragon above all the other animals because he is the father of the sins and the father of the lies and is the one ultimately responsible for all of this and he will never have any hope for redemption, but the Lord Jesus will return and utterly defeat Satan and slay him and throw him away forever into the burning lake of fire, amen.
The Bible first records that Adam "knew" his wife in Genesis 4. There is nothing stating that was the first time. Be careful not to make an argument from silence.
You have this both backwards and incorrect. God cursed the serpent first, because it had deceived the woman. He then addressed the woman and told her the consequences of their sin. He then addressed the man and told him the consequences of their sin, including that the ground was cursed because of his sin. You were careful to follow the text in the earlier part of your post, and careless here.
Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
1 John 3:12
Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous.
Genesis 4 is the first time sex is even mentioned so this is not an argument from silence. It is an argument from the first recorded instance.
Yes on this second part you are correct I have got the order of the curses backwards. The order of the curses is indeed as you stated. I am following my memory here actually.
Haha... memory can certainly betray us at times. You did get the major chunks correct at least.
Yours was an argument from silence in that you claimed that Adam and Eve had intercourse for the first time in Genesis 4. All the text actually tells us is, as you say here, that is the first record of it. It's a minor point though.
Define heretic. A heretic by the standard of who and what. The Catholic fathers or all things written in the law and prophets the word of God without the oral traditions of men called sola scriptural.
One thing I have been looking at is the use of the word flesh and the departed glory . .Was the body of mankind glorious as incorruptible before the fall? And when they did fall did he corrupt the flesh called coats of skin and it revealed their nakedness of the previous glory as the departed glory of God. By which they tried to cover up with leaves?
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3:21
Was the bodies before death a light to show they were in the glorious place, the presence of God, and when he departed it was like Moses coming down from his mountain top experience. No one could look at his face and live to show they are in the place of glory as children of light. Some say he slew an lamb but that not what is recorded.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exodus 34:35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3:21
Was the bodies before death a light to show they were in the glorious place, the presence of God, and when he departed it was like Moses coming down from his mountain top experience. No one could look at his face and live to show they are in the place of glory as children of light. Some say he slew an lamb but that not what is recorded.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exodus 34:35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
To say incorruptible given the free will they had is not plausible. Why? because we know now that the flesh did become stained when Adam took the fruit meaning Eve herself. But prior Adam's semen touched the earth and this in turn forced God's hand to curse the ground. Further because Adam listed to his wife all generations have acquired the stain of original sin known as concupisence.
The only human free from the stain of original sin thus concupisence is the Holy Mother of God, The Immaculate Conception Blessed Maria.
Sex and the act of sex is an addictive word. The Roman Catholic Church prefers to avoid it with very good reason. It's the Pavlo dog syndrome.
Scientifically sex is the exchange of DNA between sperm and egg. I feel if people know the truth as to what really happened in the Garden they may be able to better serve Lord God. The Garden of Eden history for the most part is done by the Walt Disney version.
It was Lucifer's intention to begin a race of people outside the wedlock of Almighty God. Once this occurred I imagine a big celebration among the councils of Satan. But just then Almighty God turns to His glorious Angels and says Oh yeah now watch this one, Read Gen 3:15
There is no such thing as an "addictive word".
It's "Pavlov", not "Pavlo".
The scientific view of sex is irrelevant.
The truth as to what happened is actually recorded in the Bible.
Most people here prefer to avoid the Roman Catholic "church", with very good reason. You should too.
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I wish that everyone who gets the notion that the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil was sex, would read the narrative that way. Because then they would read that Eve saw that the fruit was good for food, and it makes no sense that she saw that sex was good for food. In fact the whole narrative fall apart. This is how you know that interpreting the text that way is nonsense.
Why is it that our wonderful God who created the whole universe and everything there in, can't have a tree in a garden that serves a specific purpose as he so chooses.
Why is it that our wonderful God who created the whole universe and everything there in, can't have a tree in a garden that serves a specific purpose as he so chooses.