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Of course 1 Corinthians 9 has it's own context and the incorruptible crown is not the gospel.
Yes it is
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)
No The Gospel of Christ is the Kingdom of God, salvation through the resurrection is at hand (Mar 1:14,15), the Kingdom of God, salvation through the resurrection is within you. (Luk 17:22) The Good News, the Gospel of Christ's LIFE, death, and resurrection is the means to it.

1 Corinthians 9:16 - For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. 18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel. *Nothing there about salvation by works.
Never said there was.

That I may be a joint partaker thereof (ina sunkoinwno autou genwmai). Literally, That I may become co-partner with others in the gospel. The point is that he may be able to share the gospel with others, his evangelistic passion. Sunkoinwno is a compound word (sun, together with, koinwno, partner or sharer). We have two genitives with it in Philippians 1:7 , though en and the locative is used in Revelation 1:9. It is found only in the N.T. and a late papyrus. Paul does not wish to enjoy the gospel just by himself. https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...ictures/1-corinthians/1-corinthians-9-23.html
I have that Book. I like it, It was one of my first. He is not the final authority though, He believed one could lose their salvation. Look at his notes on verse 27. Whereas his view on verse 27 is correct. He missed the mark on verse 23. Would love to sit down with him to share where his opinion is wrong here. But alas you will suffice. Please notice we do not have to leave the chapter to explain the verses. Everything flows and fits within itself.

To keep it simple we will continue with the KJV.

And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
(1Co 9:23 KJV)

The clause "I might be" is in the subjunctive mode, the mode of possibility and it is in the first person singular. Paul is talking about himself in relation to something that is not yet but could be in the future. "I may be Becoming"

Partaker simply means to be a co participate, a sharer, a fellow sharer.

The clause "There of" in the KJV is a personal pronoun in the genitive case. It is being used in relation to the Gospel. A better translation would be "of it". "It" being the Gospel.

So basically what we have is, "

And this I do for the gospel's sake, that a fellow sharer I may be becoming of it"
To think or say it says anything other than that is to add what is not there.

Now in relation to that, IN THE SAME CONTEXT Paul writes "KNOW YE NOT" He says this to draw them in to his doing something for the Gospel's sake that he (They) may be becoming a co partaker of it. He says, So run, run that you may receive, in other words do for the Gospel's sake, that ye may obtain. Be a fellow partaker of the Gospel.

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
(1Co 9:24 KJV)

As we continue we see Paul continuing in the same subject. We know this because uses the word obtain again. Once again it is TO OBTAIN as in not yet being a partaker of it. Since the subject was obtaining the Gospel, being a partaker of it, then CONTEXTUALLY the Incorruptible Crown must be being used as a Metaphor for the Gospel. Paul says this doing, this running all to obtain is also striving for mastery, being temperate in all things. This we do through Christ to obtain the Incorruptible Crown, the Kingdom of God, salvation through the resurrection.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
(1Co 9:25 KJV)


Paul compared preaching the gospel to others (His ministry) to a race. Here take a look. Verse 27 -.
The above proves that wrong. Paul says in the following verses that, "He therefore so runs"

How?

To stay in context to what was previously stated. The running that he therefore so runs is the Doing, running with all we got to obtain. Striving for mastery, being temperate in all things. To obtain the Incorruptible Crown, the Kingdom of God, salvation through the resurrection. Keeping our Body under subjection, the servitude of Christ. Lest by any means when we have preached to others we ourselves would be found Castaway, rejected, unworthy dross.


I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:26-27 KJV)

As was said before the context continues in chapter ten.

We know this because CHAPTER TEN starts with word "moreover".


Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

So In relation to this race that Paul says he brings his body into subjection; he makes it obey him, DOES HIS BEST TO NOT SIN lest he be found castaway (unqualified, therefore rejected , a reprobate). He Calls for us not to be ignorant. He says In relation to this race, the Gospel of Christ (1 Cor 9:12,18,23) Paul says that Israel ALSO PARTOOK OF SAME SPIRITUAL MEAT AND SAME SPIRITUAL DRINK OF THAT Spiritual Rock that followed them, Christ. Same race...WE KNOW THAT WHEN PAUL IS SPEAKING ABOUT KEEPING HIS BODY UNDER SUBJECTION HE IS REFERRING TO NOT SINNING, NOT LUSTING AFTER EVIL THINGS. BECAUSE PAUL THROUGH THE SPIRIT STARTS LISTING SINS.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Though they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. They were not temperate, keeping their bodies unto subjection making it obey them. They lusted after evil things. Idolaters, fornicators, murmurers, tempting Christ. Let us not Tempt Christ as they did. For these things were written for ensamples for our admonition.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
 

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Let me put it this way.... short and not sweet..

You are wrong!

Salvation is a gift it cannot be earned or reclaimed.

See Romans 4:4 and read it everyday over and over again.
And once again that has nothing to do with the post to which you originally replied to. Here it is again with the post to which it was a reply to.

eternally-gratefull said:
The apostle John said if we (including himself) say we are sinless we are decieved

If John can’t do item and Paul admitted he could not do it’s far be it from me to think I am better then they were. They were apostles!
So in response to ET saying Paul said he could not live without sinning the following was shared
Where did Paul admit such? Chapter 7 in Romans? You are mistaken my friend. The context continues in chapter 8 where Paul through the Spirit speaks of being delivered from the Law of Sin and death, condemning sin in the flesh that the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 7:23-8:4 KJV)

In chapter 7 Paul claimed to be in captivity to the Law of Sin and cried out who shall deliverer me from this Body of Death. Then in chapter 8 proclaims deliverance from the same that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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And once again that has nothing to do with the post to which you originally replied to. Here it is again with the post to which it was a reply to.
Maybe not... but it does have everything to do with you.

Again, salvation is a gift not a prize or reward, it cannot be lost or reclaimed.

It is sad that you have fallen into the hands of false teachers, whoever they may be, and now your brain/heart cannot receive simple truth and it will take an act of God for you to see.... of this I have no doubt!!
 
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
So true! (Let's see if we can breath a little breath into this dead thread) He called us, not on the basis of good things we had done - for many of us, quite the opposite. But one of the deceptions of the modern Christian religion is a refusal to acknowledge what the Word of God declares that grace must do in us.

Take, for example, our Lord's statement, "The meek will inherit the earth." The definition of meek is "enduring insult and injury with patience and without resentment." Do you react like Jesus when you are cut off by another motorist in traffic? Well, are you righteous or sinful? Have you been changed or not? Generally speaking, the world looks at Christian hypocrisy and says, "Your religion is false."

I like the way the Holy Spirit through Titus put it, "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly, righteously and godly lives in the present age looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ who gave Himself up for us to deliver us from every lawless deed and purify for himself His own special people zealous for good works."

As the Scripture says, "Out of the wicked comes forth wickedness." And as it says elsewhere, "He who does what is right is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."

Multiplied millions of Christians are Hell bound, deluded hypocrites serving their own pleasures and walking in the way that is not the Way of the Kingdom of God. As it is written, "Live in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh." They don't even know what that means and their shepherds will pay the higher price.
 

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Maybe not... but it does have everything to do with you.

Again, salvation is a gift not a prize or reward, it cannot be lost or reclaimed.

It is sad that you have fallen into the hands of false teachers, whoever they may be, and now your brain/heart cannot receive simple truth and it will take an act of God for you to see.... of this I have no doubt!!
Acts 13:39
39 And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses


1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

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romans 3

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith


romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
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Acts 13:39
39 And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses


1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

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romans 3

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith


romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The "workers for salvation" and "salvation maintainers" must close their eyes to these passages or something? :unsure:
 
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This thread is not dead.

Salvation by works is a "DEAD END" though that is for sure!!
Salvation by works is a dead end for sure. You finally said something that’s true, woman.. The way we live is totally changed through salvation. You lot reject this reality but your blood is not on my hands.

“Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all to the glory of God.” If only modern Christians understood what that means. Thank God for the remnant that does.
 
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Scripture paints a more realistic picture of people who failed miserably... I think you are the one who needs to get real.
Read the sermon on the mount without religious prejudice. It is humanly impossible to do. That’s what real salvation and real faith do. We were all miserable failures.
 
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It is not possible that was the whole point... He was pointing to Himself who could do it... only Jesus is complete and perfect.

You will never be Him, best you stop trying and accept His righteousness.
You don’t get it at all. You don’t understand what being made righteous means. You believed “the lie” Satan has used from the beginning as the others have.
 
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You don’t get it at all. You don’t understand what being made righteous means. You believed “the lie” Satan has used from the beginning as the others have.
Tell me.. I am curious what you think it means?
 

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I do declare every time I come on here it seems as though new names appear or are they old names under different accounts?
And the new Names are mostly from the MAINTAIN SALVATION OR LOSE IT bunch.
 
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I have not understood you posts... answer clearly...... do you believe the righteousness of Christ is imputed to the believer.

Yes or no?
You understand not the words you use. You do not understand “believer”, “believe” or “faith”.
 
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You understand not the words you use. You do not understand “believer”, “believe” or “faith”.
Okay, sure ... blame me and my lack of understanding for your inability to answer a simple question.

Doesn't work they are not connected.