everybody sees you actively reading and reacting to RECENT posts! But thank you, this made me laugh and brought genuine humor to my day. At least you have that, even if nobody ever takes you seriously again...
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everybody sees you actively reading and reacting to RECENT posts! But thank you, this made me laugh and brought genuine humor to my day. At least you have that, even if nobody ever takes you seriously again...
***Sigh*** you aren't debating, dude. You're not even worth the time. You ever try to bite down on a tomatoes seed? Your argument is that tomato seed. You move around your definitions just so. And you ignore when people quote back to what you have already said. If you were honest about your arguments, you'd have conceded already.
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No one has knives out, the answer is easy ... "No I am not perfect or sinless."
Why is that a difficult statement for you to make?
Unrighteousness is within us whether we like it or not.
So you in a round-a-bout way you are stating you are "perfect" "sinless" however you could not actually state it in a forthright manner because we all know this is not possible.
You supplant and replace, the righteousness of Christ Jesus, the only Who can impart righteousness because He truly is righteous, and insert your own filthy rags?
Would you agree this is a fair assessment of your dogma?
Be brave and use clear language please.
Why is that a difficult statement for you to make?
Unrighteousness is within us whether we like it or not.
So you in a round-a-bout way you are stating you are "perfect" "sinless" however you could not actually state it in a forthright manner because we all know this is not possible.
You supplant and replace, the righteousness of Christ Jesus, the only Who can impart righteousness because He truly is righteous, and insert your own filthy rags?
Would you agree this is a fair assessment of your dogma?
Be brave and use clear language please.
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John <-you know the one....inspired, loved of God and writes 5 books of the bible. He said....If WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE are deceived and the TRUTH is not in us.
You are not sinless.......whie it is POSSIBLE to stop PARTICULAR SINS.....NO ONE is sinless....< -- elemental theology 101!!
You are not sinless.......whie it is POSSIBLE to stop PARTICULAR SINS.....NO ONE is sinless....< -- elemental theology 101!!
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Almost EVERYBODY knows your posts cannot be trusted, and contains a bunch of misunderstanding and untruth. So what is your Purpose here ? ? ? Do you get your kicks out of stirring up divisiveness or what ? ? ?
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
Acts 20:29-31 (CSB-Bible)
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 (CSB-Bible)
3 If anyone teaches false doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
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You have to wonder who these foolish disciples think these Scriptures actually MEAN:
Romans 4:4-5 (ESV)
4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
NOT COUNTED AS A GIFT, MEANS HIS SALVATION DOES NOT COUNT TOO.
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Answer the points of the post Verse by verse within the context of the passage. Do this and I will recant.
Paul is clear.
And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
(1Co 9:23 KJV)
Be a Partaker of it.
Of what?
The Gospel.
Then in the context of being a partaker of it. Or of a participate in it if you prefer Paul through God says allegorically.
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
(1Co 9:24 KJV)
He compares this partaking to the doing he said he was doing in verse 23. Then allegorically compares this doing for the Gospel to a race. Saying in relation to this doing that he just mention that they run they they may obtain.
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
(1Co 9:25 KJV)
He says in relation to this doing, this running to obtain, that we need to strive in that we control ourselves in all things. This we do That we may receive an Incorruptible crown. This he says in relation to the Gospel, the Gospel of Christ. We are talking about finishing the race. We are talking salvation, eternity with the Father and the Son forever.
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
(1Co 9:26 KJV)
Paul through the Spirit says He runs the way he just mentioned in verse 25. Striving for mastery, temperate in all things that he may obtain partake of the Gospel, the incorruptible Crown not me.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:27 KJV)
Paul says through the Spirit, I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, striving for mastery, temperate in all things, bringing the body under subjection, lest when he has preach to others he himself would be a castaway, rejected, a reprobate not me.
Paul is clear.
And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
(1Co 9:23 KJV)
Be a Partaker of it.
Of what?
The Gospel.
Then in the context of being a partaker of it. Or of a participate in it if you prefer Paul through God says allegorically.
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
(1Co 9:24 KJV)
He compares this partaking to the doing he said he was doing in verse 23. Then allegorically compares this doing for the Gospel to a race. Saying in relation to this doing that he just mention that they run they they may obtain.
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
(1Co 9:25 KJV)
He says in relation to this doing, this running to obtain, that we need to strive in that we control ourselves in all things. This we do That we may receive an Incorruptible crown. This he says in relation to the Gospel, the Gospel of Christ. We are talking about finishing the race. We are talking salvation, eternity with the Father and the Son forever.
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
(1Co 9:26 KJV)
Paul through the Spirit says He runs the way he just mentioned in verse 25. Striving for mastery, temperate in all things that he may obtain partake of the Gospel, the incorruptible Crown not me.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:27 KJV)
Paul says through the Spirit, I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, striving for mastery, temperate in all things, bringing the body under subjection, lest when he has preach to others he himself would be a castaway, rejected, a reprobate not me.
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His Faith.
What Faith is Paul speaking of?
... Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (through Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (through which the word is in the heart and mouth) is the end of the law (on tables of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 9:31-32; 10:4-8)
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
What if they choose not to believe, what if we refuse the faith that he imparts. To live in unbelief. Outside of the guidance of The word in our heart and mouth?
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(Rom 11:20-22 KJV)
So if Faith is from Christ through the Word is in the heart and Mouth What is unbelief? Here is an excerpt from the BDAG in regards to the Greek word translated unbelief. Bold emphasis mine
ἀπιστία, ας, ἡ (s. ἀπιστέω; Hes., Hdt. et al.; LXX, Philo, Joseph.; Just.; Tat. 32, 2; Ath. R. 60, 15 al.; s. Mayser 11f, 130)
unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words or actions, lack of belief, unbelief ....
lack of commitment to a relationship or pledge, unfaithfulness (X., An. 3, 2, 4 et al.; UPZ 18, 5 [163 B.C.]; Wsd 14:25; Philo, Spec. Leg. 2, 8, Decal. 172; Jos., Ant. 14, 349) Ro 3:3 (JGriffiths, ET 53, ’41, 118).—M-M. TW.
So unbelief is A lack of commitment, an unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words, THE WORD IN THE HEART AND MOUTH through Christ. And because of this they were broken off, and WE standest by faith. So Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not US. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward US, goodness, if WE continue in his goodness: otherwise WE also shalt be cut off.
What Faith is Paul speaking of?
... Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (through Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (through which the word is in the heart and mouth) is the end of the law (on tables of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 9:31-32; 10:4-8)
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
What if they choose not to believe, what if we refuse the faith that he imparts. To live in unbelief. Outside of the guidance of The word in our heart and mouth?
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(Rom 11:20-22 KJV)
So if Faith is from Christ through the Word is in the heart and Mouth What is unbelief? Here is an excerpt from the BDAG in regards to the Greek word translated unbelief. Bold emphasis mine
ἀπιστία, ας, ἡ (s. ἀπιστέω; Hes., Hdt. et al.; LXX, Philo, Joseph.; Just.; Tat. 32, 2; Ath. R. 60, 15 al.; s. Mayser 11f, 130)
unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words or actions, lack of belief, unbelief ....
lack of commitment to a relationship or pledge, unfaithfulness (X., An. 3, 2, 4 et al.; UPZ 18, 5 [163 B.C.]; Wsd 14:25; Philo, Spec. Leg. 2, 8, Decal. 172; Jos., Ant. 14, 349) Ro 3:3 (JGriffiths, ET 53, ’41, 118).—M-M. TW.
So unbelief is A lack of commitment, an unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words, THE WORD IN THE HEART AND MOUTH through Christ. And because of this they were broken off, and WE standest by faith. So Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not US. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward US, goodness, if WE continue in his goodness: otherwise WE also shalt be cut off.
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