Not By Works

[Judges1318]

We don't find the words "lose your salvation" in Hebrews 3:12-13.

That's right.
Verse 14 is where we see the condition for keeping your salvation.
I was getting ready to talk about it, but I see you're bringing it up in the next paragraph...

Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, where we read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end. The wording is not - "and you will become (future indicative) partakers of Christ if you (future indicative) hold fast." It is rather - "you have been, and now are, partakers of Christ (demonstrative evidence) if in the future you hold fast."

Here's the literal translation of the verse:

14for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast - Hebrews 3:12-14 Young's Living Translation

'We have become' is in the Perfect tense. This is what the Perfect tense means:

The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. (bold mine) Sample translation: "I have believed." ​

​

Notice that the perfect tense carries two ideas: (1) completed action and (2) continuing results. The action was completed at some time in the past, and the results continue up to the present. (bold in original)​

​

https://www.ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/​

The author is saying you have the completed action of partaking of Christ, continuing up to the present if you have and retain to the very end the completed action of holding fast the confidence that you started out with.

It's a conditional statement. The completed action with it's results still in effect up to the present (partaking in Christ) is conditioned on you continuing to have the completed action of holding fast to the hope and faith that you started out in. IOW, the partaking ends if you no longer have the action of holding fast the hope and faith you started out in (note, 'hold fast' is in the subjunctive mood of uncertainty ).

The passage can not be a description of partakers of Christ (as opposed to being a prescription of how to remain a partaker of Christ) as osas claims because the action said to be descriptive of a partaker of Christ (holding fast to the very end) is not completed yet, and can't be completed until the believer dies or Jesus returns at which time then, and only then, will it be known if the condition signifying they are a true believer has been fulfilled. Until then it's useless as a practical description of saved people because it can't be fulfilled now. Grammatically, and practically speaking it's a prescription of how to remain the partaker of Christ that you are--keep believing (cue Journey music ♪).

 

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The context is being used in the ministry genius....not salvation! You're not that bright! and the context of prize is reward genius...not salvation!

So in other words you don't actually have a rebuttal to the post. Just a I say so and more unchristian like behavior. Gotcha ya...

 

[VCO]

I haven't said this in ages: ORANGE KITTYYYYYYYYY!!!!

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I bought cat from a Cat Rescue Center, and named her Suzie Q. I was hoping she would encourage my dog Sarah Lee to play more. However she sleeps more than Sarah does.

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Suzie Q...........................................................................................................................Sarah Lee and Me

 

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[EleventhHour]

Right here....a prime example of butchering the word of God and denying the context of the word disqualified which is SALVATION......wow

Disqualified G96 ἀδόκιμος adokimos (a-d̮o'-kiy-mos) adj.
1. unacceptable, i.e. rejected.
2. (by implication) worthless.

Disqualified= rejected, worthless.

Shall we look at context now?

LET's

1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake that he might be a partaker of it.

Shall we continue?

LET's

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Paul says RUN that you might receive The prize, partaking of the Gospel.

Let's keep going shall we....

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul says RUN that you MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, Partaking of the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

Oh this getting good. Doesn't make sense to stop now let's finish.

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

Here is an excerpt from the BDAG for the Greek word for Uncertainly. Bold emphasis is mine

ἀδήλως adv. fr. ἄδηλος (Thu. et al.; Plut.; Aelian, VH 1, 21 p. 10, 4; Philo, Conf. Lingu. 119) uncertainly (Ps.-Phocyl. 25; 117) of a race οὕτως τρέχω ὡς οὐκ ἀδήλως not aimlessly, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal 1 Cor 9:26 (cp. Ps.-Phocyl. 28 ἄδηλος πλοῦς). PEg2 61 (context fragmentary).

Paul says RUN that you MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, Partaking of the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. Not aimlessly, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal. Partaking of the incorruptible crown, partaking of the Gospel..

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul says not me that he keeps his body into subjection lest by any means he be a Castaway; REJECTED unaccepted in respects to partaking of the Gospel, the prize in receiving the incorruptible crown, life everlasting with the Father and Son for eternity.

Do you believe salvation is a prize?
Tell me how does one earn this prize from God?

 

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The Gospel; salvation.

Here look, please take your time prayerfully.

1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake that he might be a partaker of it, the Gospel with the people he is speaking to.

Then he says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this doing something for the Gospel to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize, partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul states RUN WE MIGHT Receive, obtain the PRIZE, Partaking of the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says he RUNS that he MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtaining the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. Not aimlessly is he running, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal. But as one that may obtain the prize, the incorruptible crown, partaking of the Gospel, Salvation.

Then before going into examples in chapter 11 of what happens to those who do not run that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. Not aimlessly running, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal. But as one that may obtain the prize, the incorruptible crown, partaking of the Gospel, Salvation.

He defines this running he is doing for the Gospel, this discipline that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

Paul says he runs, in that he keeps his body into subjection lest by any means he be a Castaway; A REPROBATE, REJECTED and unaccepted in respects to obtaining the prize of the Gospel, the incorruptible crown, life everlasting with the Father and Son for eternity.

Then he continues in chapter 11 and gives examples of what happens to those who do not run that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. life everlasting with the Father and Son for eternity.

In closing in respect to this topic he says.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1Cor 10:11,12

I would be amiss if I failed to mention the Greek word for Castaway in verse 9:27 is a real interesting word. It is also translated REPROBATE and REJECTED in the KJV of the New Testament.

You are right that there are Prizes or CROWNS

Paul was apparently very fond of going to the GAMES, like the Olympic style of Games of his day. Hence he uses those games to relate to us how we are to run the Race.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 (HCSB)
24 Don’t you know that the runners in a stadium all race, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way to win the prize.
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
26 Therefore I do not run like one who runs aimlessly or box like one beating the air.
27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
[.That disqualified is NOT TALKING about our SALVATION, it is only talking about the Crowns we can win, during our walk with Jesus.]

Crown not crowns in respect to the context of 1 Cor 9. and that Crown that he speaks of is the partaking of the Gospel.

1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake, HE SAYS, "I DO that he might be a partaker THEREOF, of it with you.

That is what it says. Then he proceeds IN CONTEXT to compare this doing for the Gospel's sake to a race.

He says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this DOING something for the Gospel SAKE to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize. HE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation. He then exhorts that they run that they may obtain. THE CONTEXT IS THE GOSPEL, THIS IS THE PRIZE they are running to obtain ACCORDING TO the CONTEXT and sentence structure.

GOD through Paul continues.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul compares running to obtain the prize, TO BEING TEMPERATE IN ALL THINGS. Then DESCRIBES the prize, the GOSPEL AS AN INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly; not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says, "I therefore so run". HOW SO? Not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But as one that is striving for mastery that he obtain the prize, the Gospel, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

So now GOD through Paul describes this not running AIMLESSLY BEATING THE AIR, as one who is striving for mastery, being temperate in all thing, keeping his body, and bringing it into subjection. THEN HE STATES WHY he is doing it. He says, "lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED)."

A castaway, rejected, a reprobate. Not to partake of the Gospel, the PRIZE, THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

Our Lord ans savior does not stop there though HE CONTINUES WITH THE Same CONTEXT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER. He starts the NEXT CHAPTER WITH THE WORD "MOREOVER". SO let's take a look shall we?

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cor 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Cor 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Cor 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Cor 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Cor 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

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Do you believe salvation is a prize?
Tell me how does one earn this prize from God?

Prove the points in the post wrong within the context of the passage please

 

[OneOfHis]

Prove the points in the post wrong within the context of the passage please

It is proven wrong already.

Salvation is a gift.


You have been proven wrong so many times.🤦‍♂️

No matter how long winded or short and sweet people are when proving you wrong you continue in your error and make excuses.

 

[EleventhHour]

Prove the points in the post wrong within the context of the passage please

Yeah when I do, you do not respond.

Not sure why I have to do that first...simple question about your belief you should be able to answer.

 

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You have been proven wrong so many times.🤦‍♂️

No matter how long winded or short and sweet people are when proving you wrong you continue in your error and make excuses.

Please show me


1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake, HE SAYS, "I DO that he might be a partaker THEREOF, of it with you.

That is what it says. Then he proceeds IN CONTEXT to compare this doing for the Gospel's sake to a race.

He says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this DOING something for the Gospel SAKE to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize. HE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation. He then exhorts that they run that they may obtain. THE CONTEXT IS THE GOSPEL, THIS IS THE PRIZE they are running to obtain ACCORDING TO the CONTEXT and sentence structure.

GOD through Paul continues.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul compares running to obtain the prize, TO BEING TEMPERATE IN ALL THINGS. Then DESCRIBES the prize, the GOSPEL AS AN INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly; not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says, "I therefore so run". HOW SO? Not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But as one that is striving for mastery that he obtain the prize, the Gospel, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

So now GOD through Paul describes this not running AIMLESSLY BEATING THE AIR, as one who is striving for mastery, being temperate in all thing, keeping his body, and bringing it into subjection. THEN HE STATES WHY he is doing it. He says, "lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED)."

A castaway, rejected, a reprobate. Not to partake of the Gospel, the PRIZE, THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

Our Lord ans savior does not stop there though HE CONTINUES WITH THE Same CONTEXT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER. He starts the NEXT CHAPTER WITH THE WORD "MOREOVER". SO let's take a look shall we?

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cor 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Cor 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Cor 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Cor 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Cor 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[EleventhHour]

It is proven wrong already.

Salvation is a gift.


You have been proven wrong so many times.🤦‍♂️

No matter how long winded or short and sweet people are when proving you wrong you continue in your error and make excuses.

I am not short but I a pretty sweet.

 

[EleventhHour]

Please show me


1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake, HE SAYS, "I DO that he might be a partaker THEREOF, of it with you.

That is what it says. Then he proceeds IN CONTEXT to compare this doing for the Gospel's sake to a race.

He says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this DOING something for the Gospel SAKE to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize. HE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation. He then exhorts that they run that they may obtain. THE CONTEXT IS THE GOSPEL, THIS IS THE PRIZE they are running to obtain ACCORDING TO the CONTEXT and sentence structure.

GOD through Paul continues.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul compares running to obtain the prize, TO BEING TEMPERATE IN ALL THINGS. Then DESCRIBES the prize, the GOSPEL AS AN INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly; not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says, "I therefore so run". HOW SO? Not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But as one that is striving for mastery that he obtain the prize, the Gospel, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

So now GOD through Paul describes this not running AIMLESSLY BEATING THE AIR, as one who is striving for mastery, being temperate in all thing, keeping his body, and bringing it into subjection. THEN HE STATES WHY he is doing it. He says, "lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED)."

A castaway, rejected, a reprobate. Not to partake of the Gospel, the PRIZE, THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

Our Lord ans savior does not stop there though HE CONTINUES WITH THE Same CONTEXT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER. He starts the NEXT CHAPTER WITH THE WORD "MOREOVER". SO let's take a look shall we?

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cor 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Cor 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Cor 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Cor 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Cor 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The context is not the Gospel... he is writing to a congregation of saved people.

The context is rewards.

 

[EleventhHour]

That's right.
Verse 14 is where we see the condition for keeping your salvation.
I was getting ready to talk about it, but I see you're bringing it up in the next paragraph...


Here's the literal translation of the verse:

14for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast - Hebrews 3:12-14 Young's Living Translation

'We have become' is in the Perfect tense. This is what the Perfect tense means:

The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. (bold mine) Sample translation: "I have believed." ​

​

Notice that the perfect tense carries two ideas: (1) completed action and (2) continuing results. The action was completed at some time in the past, and the results continue up to the present. (bold in original)​

​

https://www.ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/​

The author is saying you have the completed action of partaking of Christ, continuing up to the present if you have and retain to the very end the completed action of holding fast the confidence that you started out with.

It's a conditional statement. The completed action with it's results still in effect up to the present (partaking in Christ) is conditioned on you continuing to have the completed action of holding fast to the hope and faith that you started out in. IOW, the partaking ends if you no longer have the action of holding fast the hope and faith you started out in (note, 'hold fast' is in the subjunctive mood of uncertainty ).

The passage can not be a description of partakers of Christ (as opposed to being a prescription of how to remain a partaker of Christ) as osas claims because the action said to be descriptive of a partaker of Christ (holding fast to the very end) is not completed yet, and can't be completed until the believer dies or Jesus returns at which time then, and only then, will it be known if the condition signifying they are a true believer has been fulfilled. Until then it's useless as a practical description of saved people because it can't be fulfilled now. Grammatically, and practically speaking it's a prescription of how to remain the partaker of Christ that you are--keep believing (cue Journey music ♪).

There is no condition for keeping salvation...completely absurd.
The gift is eternal life...which means it is eternal...outside of time.

 

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The context is not the Gospel... he is writing to a congregation of saved people.

The context is rewards.

CONTEXT AND SENTENCE STRUCTURE say DIFFERENT.
and That is not proving the post wrong.

The context in regards to the Incorruptible prize starts in verse 23. please follow along.

1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake, HE SAYS, "I DO that he MIGHT be a partaker THEREOF, of it with you.

That is what it says. Then he proceeds IN CONTEXT to compare this doing for the Gospel's sake to a race.

He says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this DOING something for the Gospel SAKE to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize. HE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation. He then exhorts that they run that they may obtain. THE CONTEXT IS THE GOSPEL, THIS IS THE PRIZE they are running to obtain ACCORDING TO the CONTEXT and sentence structure.

GOD through Paul continues.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul compares running to obtain the prize, TO BEING TEMPERATE IN ALL THINGS. Then DESCRIBES the prize, the GOSPEL AS AN INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly; not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says, "I therefore so run". HOW SO? Not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But as one that is striving for mastery that he obtain the prize, the Gospel, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

So now GOD through Paul describes this not running AIMLESSLY BEATING THE AIR, as one who is striving for mastery, being temperate in all thing, keeping his body, and bringing it into subjection. THEN HE STATES WHY he is doing it. He says, "lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED)."

A castaway, rejected, a reprobate. Not to partake of the Gospel, the PRIZE, THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

Our Lord ans savior does not stop there though HE CONTINUES WITH THE Same CONTEXT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER. He starts the NEXT CHAPTER WITH THE WORD "MOREOVER". SO let's take a look shall we?

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cor 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Cor 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Cor 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Cor 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Cor 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[OneOfHis]

Please show me


1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake, HE SAYS, "I DO that he might be a partaker THEREOF, of it with you.

That is what it says. Then he proceeds IN CONTEXT to compare this doing for the Gospel's sake to a race.

He says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Already you have proven yourself wrong.

Paul is not saying run to obtain salvation. Salvation is a gift of God and not of ourselves, or do you believe the scriptures contradict themselves?


God back and read before what you posted for extra context.




12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
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This is about paul desiring to be blameless BEFORE MAN and doing HIS BEST to not be the cause someone would discredit the gospel because HIS actions.
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15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

(gain MORE salvation? goodness NO you are so far of lb)

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

 

[OneOfHis]

@lightbearer You are like a parrot that learned from someone with poor english to keep reposting to the garbage.


It has been disproven every time.

 

[lightbearer]

@lightbearer You are like a parrot that learned from someone with poor english to keep reposting to the garbage.


It has been disproven every time.

Say you can't prove it wrong so you start with insults. I understand.

 

[blue_ladybug]

If we can lose salvation, then Jesus is surely being kept busy blotting names in and out of the Book of Life.. Not to mention dying over and over again on the cross..

 

[blue_ladybug]

Try a little less condesencion and a little more tolerance, people..

 

[OneOfHis]

Say you can't prove it wrong so you start with insults. I understand.

I did prove you wrong twice, then after you ignored it I said that reposting your false doctrine is garbage.

Already you have proven yourself wrong.

Paul is not saying run to obtain salvation. Salvation is a gift of God and not of ourselves, or do you believe the scriptures contradict themselves?


God back and read before what you posted for extra context.




12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
______
This is about paul desiring to be blameless BEFORE MAN and doing HIS BEST to not be the cause someone would discredit the gospel because HIS actions.
________

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

(gain MORE salvation? goodness NO you are so far of lb)

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

It is proven wrong already.

Salvation is a gift.


You have been proven wrong so many times.🤦‍♂️

No matter how long winded or short and sweet people are when proving you wrong you continue in your error and make excuses.