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bojack

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Since when is putting scripture above the media being a scatterer?
There's scripture warning about you and your kind .. Would you apply it if you could ?
Does Jesus have your approval to get Israel prepared this time like when He protected Israel from the Amalekites in the desert ? Remember He waited until they dropped the slave mentality that took years then told them to go in and kill everything of them with breath ..
 
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There's scripture warning about you and your kind .. Would you apply it if you could ?
Does Jesus have your approval to get Israel prepared this time like when He protected Israel from the Amalekites in the desert ? Remember He waited until they dropped the slave mentality that took years then told them to go in and kill everything of them with breath ..
But, the Church is Israel according to scripture.
 

bojack

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But, the Church is Israel according to scripture.
Why do you act all uppity ? I know who Israel is and Jesus is a Jew , a son of David and Son of God .. Each person will give an account whether Jew or gentile .. Jesus made promises to the Jews good and bad .. We are grafted in .. Does everyone have to waste time with the milk of the Word because you think you're making ground breaking revelations ?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Circumcision made many gentiles Jews.
[for the readers... read the following passages carefully :) ]


Exodus 12 -
Instructions for the Passover


43 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. 44 But any slave who has been purchased may eat of it, after you have circumcised him. 45 A temporary resident or hired hand shall not eat the Passover.
46 It must be eaten inside one house. You are not to take any of the meat outside the house, and you may not break any of the bones.
47 The whole congregation of Israel must celebrate it. 48 If a foreigner resides with you and wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover, all the males in the household must be circumcised; then he may come near to celebrate it, and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised man may eat of it. 49 The same law shall apply to both the native and the foreigner who resides among you.
50 Then all the Israelites did this—they did just as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron. 51 And on that very day the LORD brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt by their divisions.


Genesis 17 -
The Covenant of Circumcision
(Joshua 5:1-9; Acts 15:1-4)


9 God also said to Abraham, “You must keep My covenant—you and your descendants in the generations after you. 10 This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised. 11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 Generation after generation, every male must be circumcised when he is eight days old, including those born in your household and those purchased from a foreigner—even those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether they are born in your household or purchased, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh will be an everlasting covenant.
14 But if any male is not circumcised, he will be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”
15 Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, do not call her Sarai, for her name is to be Sarah. 16 And I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her, and she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will descend from her.”
17 Abraham fell facedown. Then he laughed and said to himself, “Can a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Can Sarah give birth at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “O that Ishmael might live under Your blessing!”
19 But God replied, “Your wife Sarah will indeed bear you a son, and you are to name him Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you, and I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He will become the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this time next year.”
22 When He had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or purchased with his money—every male among the members of Abraham’s household—and he circumcised them, just as God had told him.
24 So Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised on the same day. 27 And all the men of Abraham’s household—both servants born in his household and those purchased from foreigners—were circumcised with him.


Numbers 9 -
The Second Passover
(Exodus 12:1-13)


1 In the first month of the second year after Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, the LORD spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai: 2 “The Israelites are to observe the Passover at its appointed time. 3 You are to observe it at the appointed time, at twilight on the fourteenth day of this month, in accordance with its statutes and ordinances.”
4 So Moses told the Israelites to observe the Passover, 5 and they did so in the Wilderness of Sinai, at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. The Israelites did everything just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
6 But there were some men who were unclean due to a dead body, so they could not observe the Passover on that day. And they came before Moses and Aaron that same day 7 and said to Moses, “We are unclean because of a dead body, but why should we be excluded from presenting the LORD’s offering with the other Israelites at the appointed time?”
8 “Wait here until I hear what the LORD commands concerning you,” Moses replied.
9 Then the LORD said to Moses, 10 “Tell the Israelites: ‘When any one of you or your descendants is unclean because of a dead body, or is away on a journey, he may still observe the Passover to the LORD. 11 Such people are to observe it at twilight on the fourteenth day of the second month. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs; 12 they may not leave any of it until morning or break any of its bones. They must observe the Passover according to all its statutes.
13 But if a man who is ceremonially clean and is not on a journey still fails to observe the Passover, he must be cut off from his people, because he did not present the LORD’s offering at its appointed time. That man will bear the consequences of his sin.
14 If a foreigner dwelling among you wants to observe the Passover to the LORD, he is to do so according to the Passover statute and its ordinances. You are to apply the same statute to both the foreigner and the native of the land.’”


Numbers 15 -
Laws about Offerings


1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: After you enter the land that I am giving you to settle 3 and you present an offering made by fire to the LORD from the herd or flock to produce a pleasing aroma to the LORD—either a burnt offering or a sacrifice to fulfill a vow or as a freewill or festival offering— 4 then the one presenting his offering to the LORD shall also present a grain offering of a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a quarter hin of olive oil. 5 With the burnt offering or sacrifice of each lamb, prepare a quarter hin of wine as a drink offering.
6 With a ram you are to prepare a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a third of a hin of olive oil, 7 and a third of a hin of wine as a drink offering, a pleasing aroma to the LORD.
8 When you prepare a young bull as a burnt offering or sacrifice to fulfill a vow or as a peace offering to the LORD, 9 present with the bull a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with half a hin of olive oil. 10 Also present half a hin of wine as a drink offering. It is an offering made by fire, a pleasing aroma to the LORD. 11 This is to be done for each bull, ram, lamb, or goat. 12 This is how you must prepare each one, no matter how many.
13 Everyone who is native-born shall prepare these things in this way when he presents an offering made by fire as a pleasing aroma to the LORD. 14 And for the generations to come, if a foreigner residing with you or someone else among you wants to prepare an offering made by fire as a pleasing aroma to the LORD, he is to do exactly as you do. 15 The assembly is to have the same statute both for you and for the foreign resident; it is a permanent statute for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD. 16 The same law and the same ordinance will apply both to you and the foreigner residing with you.”
17 Then the LORD said to Moses, 18 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: When you enter the land to which I am bringing you 19 and you eat the food of the land, you shall lift up an offering to the LORD. 20 From the first of your dough, you are to lift up a cake as a contribution; offer it just like an offering from the threshing floor. 21 Throughout your generations, you are to give the LORD an offering from the first of your dough.
 
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Why do you act all uppity ? I know who Israel is and Jesus is a Jew , a son of David and Son of God .. Each person will give an account whether Jew or gentile .. Jesus made promises to the Jews good and bad .. We are grafted in .. Does everyone have to waste time with the milk of the Word because you think you're making ground breaking revelations ?
The promises were conditional and ultimately applied to Jesus. Only through him do they have any meaning.
 
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[for the readers... read the following passages carefully :) ]


Exodus 12 -
Instructions for the Passover


43 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. 44 But any slave who has been purchased may eat of it, after you have circumcised him. 45 A temporary resident or hired hand shall not eat the Passover.
46 It must be eaten inside one house. You are not to take any of the meat outside the house, and you may not break any of the bones.
47 The whole congregation of Israel must celebrate it. 48 If a foreigner resides with you and wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover, all the males in the household must be circumcised; then he may come near to celebrate it, and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised man may eat of it. 49 The same law shall apply to both the native and the foreigner who resides among you.
50 Then all the Israelites did this—they did just as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron. 51 And on that very day the LORD brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt by their divisions.


Genesis 17 -
The Covenant of Circumcision
(Joshua 5:1-9; Acts 15:1-4)


9 God also said to Abraham, “You must keep My covenant—you and your descendants in the generations after you. 10 This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised. 11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 Generation after generation, every male must be circumcised when he is eight days old, including those born in your household and those purchased from a foreigner—even those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether they are born in your household or purchased, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh will be an everlasting covenant.
14 But if any male is not circumcised, he will be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”
15 Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, do not call her Sarai, for her name is to be Sarah. 16 And I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her, and she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will descend from her.”
17 Abraham fell facedown. Then he laughed and said to himself, “Can a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Can Sarah give birth at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “O that Ishmael might live under Your blessing!”
19 But God replied, “Your wife Sarah will indeed bear you a son, and you are to name him Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you, and I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He will become the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this time next year.”
22 When He had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or purchased with his money—every male among the members of Abraham’s household—and he circumcised them, just as God had told him.
24 So Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised on the same day. 27 And all the men of Abraham’s household—both servants born in his household and those purchased from foreigners—were circumcised with him.


Numbers 9 -
The Second Passover
(Exodus 12:1-13)


1 In the first month of the second year after Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, the LORD spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai: 2 “The Israelites are to observe the Passover at its appointed time. 3 You are to observe it at the appointed time, at twilight on the fourteenth day of this month, in accordance with its statutes and ordinances.”
4 So Moses told the Israelites to observe the Passover, 5 and they did so in the Wilderness of Sinai, at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. The Israelites did everything just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
6 But there were some men who were unclean due to a dead body, so they could not observe the Passover on that day. And they came before Moses and Aaron that same day 7 and said to Moses, “We are unclean because of a dead body, but why should we be excluded from presenting the LORD’s offering with the other Israelites at the appointed time?”
8 “Wait here until I hear what the LORD commands concerning you,” Moses replied.
9 Then the LORD said to Moses, 10 “Tell the Israelites: ‘When any one of you or your descendants is unclean because of a dead body, or is away on a journey, he may still observe the Passover to the LORD. 11 Such people are to observe it at twilight on the fourteenth day of the second month. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs; 12 they may not leave any of it until morning or break any of its bones. They must observe the Passover according to all its statutes.
13 But if a man who is ceremonially clean and is not on a journey still fails to observe the Passover, he must be cut off from his people, because he did not present the LORD’s offering at its appointed time. That man will bear the consequences of his sin.
14 If a foreigner dwelling among you wants to observe the Passover to the LORD, he is to do so according to the Passover statute and its ordinances. You are to apply the same statute to both the foreigner and the native of the land.’”


Numbers 15 -
Laws about Offerings


1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: After you enter the land that I am giving you to settle 3 and you present an offering made by fire to the LORD from the herd or flock to produce a pleasing aroma to the LORD—either a burnt offering or a sacrifice to fulfill a vow or as a freewill or festival offering— 4 then the one presenting his offering to the LORD shall also present a grain offering of a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a quarter hin of olive oil. 5 With the burnt offering or sacrifice of each lamb, prepare a quarter hin of wine as a drink offering.
6 With a ram you are to prepare a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a third of a hin of olive oil, 7 and a third of a hin of wine as a drink offering, a pleasing aroma to the LORD.
8 When you prepare a young bull as a burnt offering or sacrifice to fulfill a vow or as a peace offering to the LORD, 9 present with the bull a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with half a hin of olive oil. 10 Also present half a hin of wine as a drink offering. It is an offering made by fire, a pleasing aroma to the LORD. 11 This is to be done for each bull, ram, lamb, or goat. 12 This is how you must prepare each one, no matter how many.
13 Everyone who is native-born shall prepare these things in this way when he presents an offering made by fire as a pleasing aroma to the LORD. 14 And for the generations to come, if a foreigner residing with you or someone else among you wants to prepare an offering made by fire as a pleasing aroma to the LORD, he is to do exactly as you do. 15 The assembly is to have the same statute both for you and for the foreign resident; it is a permanent statute for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD. 16 The same law and the same ordinance will apply both to you and the foreigner residing with you.”
17 Then the LORD said to Moses, 18 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: When you enter the land to which I am bringing you 19 and you eat the food of the land, you shall lift up an offering to the LORD. 20 From the first of your dough, you are to lift up a cake as a contribution; offer it just like an offering from the threshing floor. 21 Throughout your generations, you are to give the LORD an offering from the first of your dough.
Did you notice the first generation forfeited the promises before ever entering Canaan and died in the wilderness?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Did you notice the first generation forfeited the promises before ever entering Canaan and died in the wilderness?
No one [or at least most "get it"]... no one is suggesting that "unbelievers / unsaved / unrighteous" will ENTER [or "inherit"] "the promised land" ;) Everywhere that Jesus spoke of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth), He is saying that only believers / saints / the righteous will ENTER it. ;)

Every time He referenced it, which was (among others):

--"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth]"

--"the age [SINGULAR] to come"

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth; aka "the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven" Dan7:27, following the specific "time period" of v.25! and the specific personage of vv.20-21 (parallel Rev13:5-7,1--yet future [see also Rev17:8 "which was, and IS NOT, and YET SHALL BE [future]")… where Dan7:20 describes the individual as, "whose look is more stout than his fellows" (i.e. an individual... the "mouth" of the Rev13 passage)]

--the "G347 shall sit down [around a table/at a meal]" (like Matt8:11 and its parallel)

--when "the 12" were told they "shall sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel"
[which "no longer exist" in the "amill-scheme of things" ;) ]
(Lk22:30,16,18 and Matt19:28 [<--with its TIMING-indication/correlation (same wording) found in Matt25:31-34]; see also Matt26:29 "UNTIL THAT DAY when... new WITH [G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANYING] you..." [distinct from the "WITH G4862 [UNION-with/IDENTIFICATION-with]" used elsewhere of "the Church which is His body," which at that time they knew nothing of, yet])

--the 10 or so "BLESSED" passages, like Dan12:12 "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days" (correlating with about 8-9 other "BLESSED" passages of the Gospels & Rev19 speaking to THAT POINT IN TIME, in the chronology... in Matt/Olivet Discourse... in Lk12:36-37,38,40-42 "when he shall RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal... vv.37,38,43 "BLESSED" etc etc... [the problem enters when folks "READ INTO" these passages "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which these passages are NOT SPEAKING ABOUT! Yes, these "BLESSED" will ENTER the MK age... as "saints"/"believers"/"the righteous"/"saved" persons... who will have come to faith IN/DURING the trib yrs, FOLLOWING "our Rapture"])

--much, much more... (but I'll refrain, as ppl tend not to read long posts, prefering chicken nuggets :D Haha)
 

bojack

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Here's an interesting video .. Some may blow it off and that's fine .. I like to consider these things none-the-less .. I also think the United States of America was intended in part to be the Superpower on Earth to be Israel's friend at this time .. imo Israel is all but toast when Mystery Babylon takes over and the NWO is close to being it IMO .. God uses numbers doesn't He
5 minutes and there's others besides these
 
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No one [or at least most "get it"]... no one is suggesting that "unbelievers / unsaved / unrighteous" will ENTER [or "inherit"] "the promised land" ;) Everywhere that Jesus spoke of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth), He is saying that only believers / saints / the righteous will ENTER it. ;)

Every time He referenced it, which was (among others):

--"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth]"

--"the age [SINGULAR] to come"

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth; aka "the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven" Dan7:27, following the specific "time period" of v.25! and the specific personage of vv.20-21 (parallel Rev13:5-7,1--yet future [see also Rev17:8 "which was, and IS NOT, and YET SHALL BE [future]")… where Dan7:20 describes the individual as, "whose look is more stout than his fellows" (i.e. an individual... the "mouth" of the Rev13 passage)]

--the "G347 shall sit down [around a table/at a meal]" (like Matt8:11 and its parallel)

--when "the 12" were told they "shall sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel"
[which "no longer exist" in the "amill-scheme of things" ;) ]
(Lk22:30,16,18 and Matt19:28 [<--with its TIMING-indication/correlation (same wording) found in Matt25:31-34]; see also Matt26:29 "UNTIL THAT DAY when... new WITH [G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANYING] you..." [distinct from the "WITH G4862 [UNION-with/IDENTIFICATION-with]" used elsewhere of "the Church which is His body," which at that time they knew nothing of, yet])

--the 10 or so "BLESSED" passages, like Dan12:12 "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days" (correlating with about 8-9 other "BLESSED" passages of the Gospels & Rev19 speaking to THAT POINT IN TIME, in the chronology... in Matt/Olivet Discourse... in Lk12:36-37,38,40-42 "when he shall RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal... vv.37,38,43 "BLESSED" etc etc... [the problem enters when folks "READ INTO" these passages "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which these passages are NOT SPEAKING ABOUT! Yes, these "BLESSED" will ENTER the MK age... as "saints"/"believers"/"the righteous"/"saved" persons... who will have come to faith IN/DURING the trib yrs, FOLLOWING "our Rapture"])

--much, much more... (but I'll refrain, as ppl tend not to read long posts, prefering chicken nuggets :D Haha)
All of Premillennialism and Dispensationalism are wrong from the start. You cannot argue their points because they do not originate in scripture. Both come from the Pharisee's idea of Israel and the Kingdom that Jesus refuted in the gospels time and again.
 

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How antichrist it is to think the promised land could be possessed by force.
Do you think God could have "time-prophecies" [pertaining to "Israel"] that involve "[if/then] I will punish you SEVEN TIMES MORE..." which happen to connect (time-wise), as I showed [two of the four, I think] in my previous post:

https://christianchat.com/threads/its-1948-its-a-miracle.190510/post-4178886

IOW, do you think it could be possible that God has thus far "fulfilled such time-prophecies" in order to set up/set in place the circumstances that will bring about other prophecies that are slated to involve Israel (in the future "trib years" that are for the PURPOSE of bringing Israel INTO the New Covenant, as various passages speak to... not that 100% of them will come to faith at that time, but those who DO/WILL, of course, is what I mean ;) ).

In that case, it would not be "humans [bringing this about] BY FORCE," but God using humans to bring about the "setting" for what the [future] prophecies [yet to come to pass] describe are slated to take place... and doing so ON HIS TIMETABLE (which I perceive to be "in stages"): what I am calling specific "TIME-PROPHECIES" in Scripture (related to this)


[example: 4x in Daniel it says, "the end shall be AT THE TIME APPOINTED"]
 

TheDivineWatermark

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^ EDIT to correct: meant to say, of the 4x total, 3x are stated in Daniel

"the end shall be AT THE TIME APPOINTED" (or similarly worded)
 

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The promises were conditional and ultimately applied to Jesus. Only through him do they have any meaning.
It's really stunning that according to many so called believers, possessing the promised land has nothing to do with faith in Jesus.
 

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Do you think God could have "time-prophecies" [pertaining to "Israel"] that involve "[if/then] I will punish you SEVEN TIMES MORE..." which happen to connect (time-wise), as I showed [two of the four, I think] in my previous post:

https://christianchat.com/threads/its-1948-its-a-miracle.190510/post-4178886

IOW, do you think it could be possible that God has thus far "fulfilled such time-prophecies" in order to set up/set in place the circumstances that will bring about other prophecies that are slated to involve Israel (in the future "trib years" that are for the PURPOSE of bringing Israel INTO the New Covenant, as various passages speak to... not that 100% of them will come to faith at that time, but those who DO/WILL, of course, is what I mean ;) ).

In that case, it would not be "humans [bringing this about] BY FORCE," but God using humans to bring about the "setting" for what the [future] prophecies [yet to come to pass] describe are slated to take place... and doing so ON HIS TIMETABLE (which I perceive to be "in stages"): what I am calling specific "TIME-PROPHECIES" in Scripture (related to this)


[example: 4x in Daniel it says, "the end shall be AT THE TIME APPOINTED"]
People who believe in Jesus are God's chosen people. People who reject Jesus aren't.
 

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People who believe in Jesus are God's chosen people. People who reject Jesus aren't.
I first thought I was supposed to dislike the Jews and Israel .. When I found out Jesus was willing to forgive the Jews and even instructed Simon bar Jonah to feed His sheep .. I developed a supernatural love for Israel and those Christ murdering Jews .. Simon Peter was sent to the circumcision .. We are the other sheep .. They have until their last breath to find Jesus like anyone else .. Who ever blesses Israel will be blessed and who ever curses Israel will be cursed .. Most Jews hate Jesus and born again Christians too, their problem, not mine .. I love them and I can't help it .. I love muslims and all others but I'd volunteer to defend/fight for Israel and all I could do is let them set me up with a weapon ..
 

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People who believe in Jesus are God's chosen people. People who reject Jesus aren't.
I believe Scripture shows that there will be those saved in the trib (thus "saints") but who are not part of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (though each are considered the "ELECT"... just of different TIME SLOTS)...

so I guess we are never going to see eye to eye on this particular point. (I.e. that Eph1:10 is NOT speaking of the "NOW"/"this present age [singular]" like the rest of the epistle IS speaking about [with its "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]



--"the BRIDE/WIFE [SINGULAR]" is NOT "the [invited] GUESTS [PLURAL]," nor the "TEN [or even FIVE] Virgins [PLURAL] [[/Bridesmaids PLURAL]," nor the "servants/attendants [PLURAL]" of that future time period that leads UP TO His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19; Jesus is not coming at that point to "MARRY" TEN Virgins!
(He will be RETURNING, at that point, as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom [WITH [G4862] His "BRIDE/WIFE [SINGULAR]"] down to the earth where the "10 / 5 Virgins" will be located, never having lifted off the ground! [it's not THEIR "Rapture"!] The 5 Virgins will "go in WITH [G3326-accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER," i.e. the EARTHLY MK age!)

--there are distinct HARVESTS (in nature as well as in Scripture--I had provided posts on how Rev14:4's 144,000 correlates with the SECOND of TWO mentions of "firstfruit" in Lev23, this one in v.17 where it says "TWO loaves" and "baken WITH LEAVEN" [this is NOT "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" ;)] and how James 1:17 says, "a KIND of firstfruit" (coz there are more than ONE "firstfruit"!! The 144,000 correlate with the SECOND of the TWO mentions of "firstfruit" of Lev23 ;) ) When we conflate these, all becomes blurry

--more, but I've bored you enough... and the readers...
 

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But, he does this with all armies who he determined to win. Jesus and the Church are biblical Israel. Pagan Israel can become part of us if any accept Christ. Paul was a broken off Jew who used himself as an example of being re-attached to Israel.
Give me an example of where God was so obviously involved over and over with helping a nation under attack. I'm sure he was for all the allies in WW2, again involving the Jewish people.
There are an abundant amount of Scriptures debunking your proposition. Everything in the Bible involves Israel, especially Jesus, Yeshua Hamashiach.
 

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It's really stunning that according to many so called believers, possessing the promised land has nothing to do with faith in Jesus.
you may recall my past posts in past threads, where I stated that no one but "saints/believers/the righteous/saved/BLESSED" will ENTER the earthly MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" [His "RETURN" to the earth] (i.e. no one ENTERS it apart from faith in HIM! ;) ). The earthly MK age starts out 100% saved persons only (and, by the way, it will do them no good to wait till they "SEE" Him VISIBLY, as at that point it will be too late).
 

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All of Premillennialism and Dispensationalism are wrong from the start. You cannot argue their points because they do not originate in scripture. Both come from the Pharisee's idea of Israel and the Kingdom that Jesus refuted in the gospels time and again.
Disagree.

And you are the one suggesting that Jesus told the Pharisees that "the kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU". Hello. :rolleyes:


Luke 17 -

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [or, 'For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”c']


22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.


23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.


24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.



["For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Romans 14:17 ;) ]


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See again, this article:

https://sharperiron.org/article/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-ot-nt-last-twenty

"32. In addition, it makes the Creator of language the greatest rambler in all literature. Why did God not just tell the prophet, “When the Messiah comes He will be the Temple and all those in Him will be called the Temple”? That would have saved thousands of misleading words at the end of Ezekiel.


"33. It ignores the life-setting of the disciples’ question in Acts 1:6 in the context of their already having had forty days teaching about the very thing they asked about (“the kingdom” – see Acts 1:3). This reflects badly on the clarity of the Risen Lord’s teaching about the kingdom. But the tenacity with which these disciples still clung to literal fulfillments would also prove the validity of #’s 23, 26, 27, 28 & 32 above.


"34. This resistance to the clear expectation of the disciples also ignores the question of the disciples, which was about the timing of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel, not its nature."




also this: https://sharperiron.org/article/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-ot-nt-first-twenty