Not By Works

[mailmandan]

You never answered question!

How do you "believe " that Christ will give you salvation without work or effort?

John 6:29 (AMP) - Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.”

 

[Pisteuo]

John 6:29 (AMP) - Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.”

So your making a decision to" believe" right? That's takes more work than NT pisteuo," surrender."

 

[Pisteuo]

John 6:29 (AMP) - Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.”

I get my understanding of Faith applied from the Greek Scriptures, you get yours from the translated English Scriptures.

The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from pisteuo. Only the people who have built their understanding on the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing cry works salvation. And I'm proving to you that the mistranslations even take work and effort! So it's back to the drawing board for you.

 

[gb9]

I get my understanding of Faith applied from the Greek Scriptures, you get yours from the translated English Scriptures.

The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from pisteuo. Only the people who have built their understanding on the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing cry works salvation. And I'm proving to you that the mistranslations even take work and effort! So it's back to the drawing board for you.

since you are such an expert in this matter, surly you know that " apisteo" means " faithless"

now, since believe and faith are 1st cousins ( very similar ), then faithless can very easily mean non-believer ( it actually does do so 10 times).

so, check your notes and try to spin this. we will see how you do.

 

[preacher4truth]

You never answered question!

How do you "believe " that Christ will give you salvation without work or effort?

This here proves pisteuo is not a believer but that he believes he saves himself by what he does. That is a false gospel and he wants others to believe in it as well.

 

[preacher4truth]

John 6:29 (AMP) - Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.”

Belief is the work of God, not the work of man.

 

[Pisteuo]

since you are such an expert in this matter, surly you know that " apisteo" means " faithless"

now, since believe and faith are 1st cousins ( very similar ), then faithless can very easily mean non-believer ( it actually does do so 10 times).

so, check your notes and try to spin this. we will see how you do.

First ," Apisteuo" is the reverse action of pisteuo. Faith in reverse if we're talking about Faith in God.

As for believe and Faith being first cousins? That can be straightened out by reading the hundreds of posts I've written directly about that. I really don't see anything spinable here! Your question is built on a false premise.

 

[Pisteuo]

I get my understanding of Faith applied from the Greek Scriptures, you get yours from the translated English Scriptures.

The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from pisteuo. Only the people who have built their understanding on the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing cry works salvation. And I'm proving to you that the mistranslations even take work and effort! So it's back to the drawing board for you.

Why do all the " believers" disappear when I ask this question.

 

[preacher4truth]

Why do all the " believers" disappear when I ask this question.

Notice how "pisteuo" disappears after he’s answered with Scripture? Zero response to it and zero Scriptures offered in response.

 

[Pisteuo]

Notice how "pisteuo" disappears after he’s answered with Scripture? Zero response to it and zero Scriptures offered in response.

Gotta be yours to talk about first! I'm waiting for you guys to begin true NT Faith. You admit you don't know what that is, I've told you, what are you waiting for? First things first!

 

[gb9]

Gotta be yours to talk about first! I'm waiting for you guys to begin true NT Faith. You admit you don't know what that is, I've told you, what are you waiting for? First things first!

what you are trying to do is the same thing as trying to convince us that there is a huge difference between tangerines and clementines and there is not.

 

[CherieR]

You never answered question!

How do you "believe " that Christ will give you salvation without work or effort?

Salvation is not about our work or effort. Jesus did the work that was needed in order to save us from our sins. He died on the cross then rose again.

How one receives salvation is by receiving Jesus, trusting in him as their Savior.

 

[Judges1318]

It’s all about self preservation over God’s preservation for these misguided people.

Trusting God is me trying to preserve myself?

 

[Judges1318]

How one receives salvation is by receiving Jesus, trusting in him as their Savior.

Also known as the works gospel in this thread.
If you have to do anything to be saved and stay saved you are trying to save yourself.

 

[Pisteuo]

Salvation is not about our work or effort. Jesus did the work that was needed in order to save us from our sins. He died on the cross then rose again.

How one receives salvation is by receiving Jesus, trusting in him as their Savior.

Repeating that a hundred more times won't make it true.

I realize that's what we've been taught, but trusting Christ as our savoir is not NT Faith that will result in recieving the Spirit of Christ. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ , His word and the promises in His word are not ours.

 

[Pisteuo]

what you are trying to do is the same thing as trying to convince us that there is a huge difference between tangerines and clementines and there is not.

Are you saying I'm a fruit?

 

[Judges1318]

Then you’re not really beginning "to see" at all.

Star keeps talking about how 'holding fast' is works salvation. Then I show her the 'holding fast' scriptures, so I have no choice but to conclude that the Bible teaches salvation is by works.

" 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

Even if this is 'descriptive', not 'prescriptive', you still have to hold firmly to the word or you're not saved.

What you are doing is conflating the sanctifying work of God in a believer with justification. Two huge differences.

No, I understand the difference between them quite well.
Both are accomplished through having faith in Christ. Yet, having faith is called 'works' in this thread.
I'm not aware of any scripture that says having faith is you trying to justify/sanctify yourself.

 

[Pisteuo]

Star keeps talking about how 'holding fast' is works salvation. Then I show her the 'holding fast' scriptures, so I have no choice but to conclude that the Bible teaches salvation is by works.

"you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

Even if this is 'descriptive', you still have to hold firmly to the word to be saved.


No, I understand the difference between them quite well.
Both are accomplished through having faith in Christ. Yet, having faith is called 'works' in this thread.
I'm not aware of any scripture that says having faith is you trying to justify/sanctify yourself.

What is the salvation process in your understanding?

 

[CherieR]

Repeating that a hundred more times won't make it true.

I realize that's what we've been taught, but trusting Christ as our savoir is not NT Faith that will result in recieving the Spirit of Christ. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ , His word and the promises in His word are not ours.

The New Testament Scripture speaks on trusting Christ in Ephesians 1:12-13

 

[Pisteuo]

The New Testament Scripture speaks on trusting Christ in Ephesians 1:12-13

I've posted really heavy on this subject. If you're interested,check them out then get back to me.