Are All Angels the Same?
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A law of men that usurps the authority of the word of God .as in . . .All things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) They are the ones that walk by sight .In Acts those who were authorized by letters of the High Priest .Like the Pope to kill the Christians. Out of sigh out of mind the faithless pagan foundation.
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Acts 22:3-5
They sought after Paul previously Saul a violator and murderer.
They tried to make sola scriptura without effect calling it a heresy and the law of the fathers the law of corruptible men the true law. But could not prove it.
Paul turned what they turned upside, down right-side up .Rather than worshiping the father seen. as if it was God not seen .
By faith he worshiped the father in heaven not seen. By passing the things seen the temporal having no value
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophet Acts 24
Again not worshiping the fathers as God, as previously
There are other portion that show how the law of men called law of the fathers attempt to make the word of God without effect.
I would submit that what you are calling the law of the ancestors is actually the Torah.
The Book of Acts chapter 22
“Brothers and fathers! Listen to me as I make my defense before you now!” 2 When they heard him speaking to them in Hebrew, they settled down more; so he continued: 3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city and trained at the feet of Gamli’el in every detail of the Torah of our forefathers. I was a zealot for God, as all of you are today. 4 I persecuted to death the followers of this Way, arresting both men and women and throwing them in prison. 5 The cohen hagadol and the whole Sanhedrin can also testify to this. Indeed, after receiving letters from them to their colleagues in Dammesek, I was on my way there in order to arrest the ones in that city too and bring them back to Yerushalayim for punishment.
cohen hagadol = high priest
The Book of Acts chapter 22
“Brothers and fathers! Listen to me as I make my defense before you now!” 2 When they heard him speaking to them in Hebrew, they settled down more; so he continued: 3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city and trained at the feet of Gamli’el in every detail of the Torah of our forefathers. I was a zealot for God, as all of you are today. 4 I persecuted to death the followers of this Way, arresting both men and women and throwing them in prison. 5 The cohen hagadol and the whole Sanhedrin can also testify to this. Indeed, after receiving letters from them to their colleagues in Dammesek, I was on my way there in order to arrest the ones in that city too and bring them back to Yerushalayim for punishment.
cohen hagadol = high priest
I am somewhat familiar with the circumcision doctrine as a ceremonial law. The shadow that was fulfilled at the cross.
As a shadow fulfilled in the Son of man, Jesus. It speaks of the first born of God suffering as our bloody husband beforehand and the glory that did follow the. . . graves were opened, therefore opening the resurrection gate
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Honestly, you need a class in English composition and clear thinking. So much of what you say is too garbled to be read. What word of men usurps the law of God? We are told that we are to obey the law of our government, they are laws of men. We have to use our sight to walk or we fall over rocks. We are to use our sight of the Lord to walk in His ways. In history we read that the pope has authorized men to kill Jews, you say he authorizes to kill Christians? You aren't making sense.
You sure are hard to follow if you are telling of the truth of scripture. Fleshly circumcision is a shadow? Do you know that a shadow is an outline of something real and true? Fleshly circumcision was a way of announcing the person belonged to God, now done spiritually. Where is the shadow? What in the world is this first born suffering as a bloody husband? I don't find a bloody husband in scripture. Where is it?
I truly believe there are things in heaven we could not explain here. I think it will be as if we were hidden.. and the door opens.. WOW To see all the things our Father has made up to now. And has not stopped
I see you've met Garee. I've been telling him for over a year that he needs instruction in basic English. Unfortunately, he seems to have interpreted Matthew 23:8 to mean that he is not to learn anything from other humans. Here are his words from a recent post in the thread, "A distinction between tongues":
"We are warned of those who say we must have a man sern [sic] to teach us (the MO of the antichrist)"
"We are warned of those who say we must have a man sern [sic] to teach us (the MO of the antichrist)"
I am not making you sense.
The law of the fathers as oral traditions of men usurps the law of God as it is written .
The law of our government is a different kind of law than the law of the fathers that is revealed in the bible.
The law of the father in respect to the faithless Catholic and the Jews. Killed men and women of all nations .There goal was out of sight out of mind. kill the misperceived competition.They had no faith coming from the word of God. (line by line.0
Their law of corrupted men made our father in heavens law without effect. A good example is shown below . The same kind of law marked by those who fall backward slain in the spirit (sign seekers).
The law of. . . we will not hearken to sola scriptura, God's word but we will do what so ever our own mouth comes up with and in the end see no evil .
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jerimiah 44:17
The law of the fathers as oral traditions of men usurps the law of God as it is written .
The law of our government is a different kind of law than the law of the fathers that is revealed in the bible.
The law of the father in respect to the faithless Catholic and the Jews. Killed men and women of all nations .There goal was out of sight out of mind. kill the misperceived competition.They had no faith coming from the word of God. (line by line.0
Their law of corrupted men made our father in heavens law without effect. A good example is shown below . The same kind of law marked by those who fall backward slain in the spirit (sign seekers).
The law of. . . we will not hearken to sola scriptura, God's word but we will do what so ever our own mouth comes up with and in the end see no evil .
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jerimiah 44:17
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The manuscripts of apocrypha we currently have
are on the main idea that most scholars believe they are false.
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The spiritual side of this is off. For the Bible to be inspired and 100% infallible must mean that the Spirit absolutely did it right.
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By reason this automatically raises an objection. If these apocrypha are not verifiable and the Spirit didn't lead it to be included. Then we have no reason to include it in our theology. If people try to claim it as inspired but man corrupted the Bible by removing books, this raises a big question. What else has man corrupted if we cannot trust that God through His Spirit guided the creation of His written Word? This plants the seeds of doubt that can lead to unbelief as trust in scripture is faded.
The manuscripts of apocrypha we currently have
are on the main idea that most scholars believe they are false.
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The spiritual side of this is off. For the Bible to be inspired and 100% infallible must mean that the Spirit absolutely did it right.
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By reason this automatically raises an objection. If these apocrypha are not verifiable and the Spirit didn't lead it to be included. Then we have no reason to include it in our theology. If people try to claim it as inspired but man corrupted the Bible by removing books, this raises a big question. What else has man corrupted if we cannot trust that God through His Spirit guided the creation of His written Word? This plants the seeds of doubt that can lead to unbelief as trust in scripture is faded.
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LOl What your interpretation of Mathew 23: 8?
Yes that is what the warning reveals. The father of lies motive of operation. Many Christian are still waiting for him to be revealed as some sort of hidden sign and wonder .They do the same with the mark of Cain 666 waiting for it when it is already here found in the foundation of Genesis ..
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2: 27-28
It the results of calling men seen as "Good Master."( teacher Rabbi) Even the son of God Jesus would not stand in the place of the unseen glory of God. an abomination of desolation. When accused by one bowing down in worship of being Good Master. Jesus said one is our Good Master God. Call no on earth teacher just as call no man on earth father.
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
There a discouragement to the signs and wonder seekers .Hoping there could be some good in the flesh of Jesus which he says does not profit for any thing .
Yes that is what the warning reveals. The father of lies motive of operation. Many Christian are still waiting for him to be revealed as some sort of hidden sign and wonder .They do the same with the mark of Cain 666 waiting for it when it is already here found in the foundation of Genesis ..
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2: 27-28
It the results of calling men seen as "Good Master."( teacher Rabbi) Even the son of God Jesus would not stand in the place of the unseen glory of God. an abomination of desolation. When accused by one bowing down in worship of being Good Master. Jesus said one is our Good Master God. Call no on earth teacher just as call no man on earth father.
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
There a discouragement to the signs and wonder seekers .Hoping there could be some good in the flesh of Jesus which he says does not profit for any thing .
I didn't say they was.
I'll clarify. That paragraph wasn't talking about the above books. It simply states that Paul quoted Greek writers and philosophers and the Apostles taught using some examples from Greek philosophical ideas.
As to why if you go by just because Enoch was quoted and we should trust that the manuscript of Enoch today is accurate. Then we must equally learn everything about the Greek philosophers and include that in our theology as inspired.
I'll clarify. That paragraph wasn't talking about the above books. It simply states that Paul quoted Greek writers and philosophers and the Apostles taught using some examples from Greek philosophical ideas.
As to why if you go by just because Enoch was quoted and we should trust that the manuscript of Enoch today is accurate. Then we must equally learn everything about the Greek philosophers and include that in our theology as inspired.
Epimenides the Cretan, the poet Paul cited in Titus 1:12.
Titus 1:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
The second citation is from Aratus, a Cilcian poet (Phaenomena 5). The original line, “in him we move and live and have our being,” was pantheistic, but Paul spins this line into a statement about God as the source of our life.
Titus 1:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
The second citation is from Aratus, a Cilcian poet (Phaenomena 5). The original line, “in him we move and live and have our being,” was pantheistic, but Paul spins this line into a statement about God as the source of our life.
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Circumcision is not a self edifying tool.
Fleshly circumcision has it foundation used to represent the first born Jesus as the son of man . He is signified as our bloody husband suffering before hand and the glory that did follow. The graves were opened .
The foundation of the doctrine must be looked into . Destroy the foundation in Exodus 4 then the ceremonial law can mean whatsoever a person dreams up . Some use it to glory in their own flesh as a self edifying tool willfully ignoring it is a shadow of our bloody husband
Like many other doctrines when mentioned twice (bloody husband ) in the same context we can be sure we have the true witness in that parable. Gershom represented Jesus just as Isaac.
And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision .Exodus 4: 24-26
The same kind of parable used with Isaac and Abraham . Zipporah acting as the sheep in the bush to protect the unseen spiritual seed. (Christ)
Fleshly circumcision has it foundation used to represent the first born Jesus as the son of man . He is signified as our bloody husband suffering before hand and the glory that did follow. The graves were opened .
The foundation of the doctrine must be looked into . Destroy the foundation in Exodus 4 then the ceremonial law can mean whatsoever a person dreams up . Some use it to glory in their own flesh as a self edifying tool willfully ignoring it is a shadow of our bloody husband
Like many other doctrines when mentioned twice (bloody husband ) in the same context we can be sure we have the true witness in that parable. Gershom represented Jesus just as Isaac.
And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision .Exodus 4: 24-26
The same kind of parable used with Isaac and Abraham . Zipporah acting as the sheep in the bush to protect the unseen spiritual seed. (Christ)
How is it inspired if the Spirit didn't guide it to be included in the Bible?
Jude quoted it once. Paul quotes Greek philosophers. The Apostles use Greek philosophical idea. Could be other secular sources but from past studies I remember these.
Here is one example
1 Corinthians 15:33
33 Do not be misled: ‘Bad company corrupts good character.’
Footnotes:
I do not like the start of this quote above. It may be is a assumption, a unverifiable assumption that has no evidence to prove it.
Jude quoted it once. Paul quotes Greek philosophers. The Apostles use Greek philosophical idea. Could be other secular sources but from past studies I remember these.
Here is one example
1 Corinthians 15:33
33 Do not be misled: ‘Bad company corrupts good character.’
Footnotes:
- 1 Corinthians 15:33 From the Greek poet Menander
I do not like the start of this quote above. It may be is a assumption, a unverifiable assumption that has no evidence to prove it.
Good. But you do understand that men wrote the Bible?
So what makes the Bible so unique if man wrote it? I hope you will say that the Spirit was involved. If we trust that God was in every step of the creation of the Bible then why would we think the Bible isn't what God intended and is missing whole books?
So what makes the Bible so unique if man wrote it? I hope you will say that the Spirit was involved. If we trust that God was in every step of the creation of the Bible then why would we think the Bible isn't what God intended and is missing whole books?