Jesus Christ teaches us to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind and soul, and love our neighbor as ourself. This is the fulfillment of the law. Mission accomplished. Try again with your anti-grace nonsense.
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Nice deflection, now answer the question. You are not perfect and never will be so what are you going to do come judgment day?
This statement is absolutely false (the part about Christians rejecting the OT) and this is further PROOF that you have no understanding of either the O.T. the N.T., what Christians believe and or the FACT THAT BOTH are needed to GRASP the truth of the bible.....man...you are so far off the mark.....
a much bigger thing, he does talk about faith in Christ for salvation, but then goes on to say that if one is not doing good works, then one is not saved, or in danger of falling away. ( lordship salvation,)
it's a shame when one professes faith in Christ for salvation, then tries to backdoor salvation by works...
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The Templars became a favoured charity throughout Christendom and grew rapidly in membership and power.
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The Templars were closely tied to the Crusades; when the Holy Land was lost, support for the order faded.[12] Rumours about the Templars' secret initiation ceremony created distrust, and King Philip IV of France – deeply in debt to the order – took advantage of this distrust to destroy them and erase his debt. In 1307, he had many of the order's members in France arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and burned at the stake.[13] Pope Clement V disbanded the order in 1312 under pressure from King Philip. The abrupt reduction in power of a significant group in European society gave rise to speculation, legend, and legacy through the ages.
LOLOL. Those who pursue "works" are "working themselves needlessly.
The Law led us to Christ. Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. We live under the lordship of Christ and at the moment of the death of Christ on the Cross, that veil in the Temple was torn apart.
God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We who accept Jesus Christ as our Savior are new creatures and covered in His grace. Amen and amen
God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We who accept Jesus Christ as our Savior are new creatures and covered in His grace. Amen and amen
We are under grace and not under the Law. Yes we have proper instruction from our Loving Father and our Lord but He in no wise will cast us out.
No man (we are man) can pluck us from His hand.
We are kept by His power.
We are saved by grace through faith. Not merit.
What you have been trying to do, is show people who trust in Christ and KNOW their Father that they don't belong to Him unless they do what you believe the scriptures to mean.
We have all read every word many many times.
The inspired scriptures flow in harmony unless someone were to believe what it is you are saying.
When you have been shown what others believe verses to mean, you then post out of context verses or side step issues.
You still haven't recovered from your first claim, that GOD needs to see works of righteousness.
We are justified before God appart from works of righteousness which we do. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us who are less than perfect that we stand before God perfect EVEN AS CHRIST was perfect. From birth to standing before God, spotless.
In your pointing to james you are still wrong about your claim works which we do will help a man be justified before God.
What I'm saying is Paul does not include believing in with the works that can not justify. In fact, he very much contrasts believing with works as to what can and can't justify.
Now you're just waffling between two instances of belief.
I'd like to amend this by changing "far separate" to "individually distinguishable."
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eternally-gratefull
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indeed. One who thinks they are saved based on how good they are
And this perfection is what?
If it's perfection when and how do we reach it?
If we do not reach it then what?
If we seek it and do not reach it then what?
Dont fob the questions with just Bible verses but examples.
You obviously think you are God true disciple unlike many on here you have said are of satan.
That being the the case why?
Why stop at v19?
Let's look at the following
Mark 10:17-22
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
(Matt. 19:16–22; Luke 18:18–23)
17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
19 You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”
20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”
21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
22 But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Notice that Jesus loved him but lacked one thing.
This guy kept all the things in v19 but it was not enough.
Here are the 10 commandments
- You shall have no other gods before Me.
- You shall make no idols.
- You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
- Keep the Sabbath day holy.
- Honor your father and your mother.
- You shall not murder.
- You shall not commit adultery.
- You shall not steal.
- You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- You shall not covet.
Doing work to have righteousness credited to you is one thing. Trusting in Christ to have righteousness credited to you is quite another. They are not the same.
"5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness" - Romans 4:5
So you can see, trusting in Christ, and continuing to trust in Christ is hardly 'works'.
You're not trying to save yourself by works by continuing to trust in Christ.
Not true. All the truly converted should pursue good works.
Why? Because it’s biblical.
Mocking and/or mitigating this only show a persons biblical acumen and understanding of true conversion to be quite low.
Note Ephesians 2:10 and the word “walk” defined:
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Original: περιπατέω
Transliteration: peripateō
Phonetic: per-ee-pat-eh'-o
Thayer Definition:
1. to walk
a. to make one's way, progress; to make due use of opportunities
b. Hebrew for, to live
1. to regulate one's life
2. to conduct one's self
3. to pass one's life
That right there is the epitome and definition of pursuing good works.
Salvation is always by grace from God.
They do not show faith like us, by ceasing from our works and trusting in the faith OF Christ on the cross.
They show faith by building an ark, offering the right sacrifice, hiding spies etc etc, see Hebrews.
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She meant that in context of salvation
Also there a huge difference between pursuing good works as part of our calling....and good works as proof.
Do I sense a shift in your thinking?
People are always accusing others of what they are guilty of. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (Matthew 7:19) "If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." (Matthew 15:6) All you would have had to do was run a search on "tree" & "fire".