Not By Works

[Elihoenai]

Misapplied Scripture. The curse is not talking about eternity, the curses listed in the law are temporal curses here on earth, such as exile from the land if Israel did not obey the law.

Mark 10:17-19 King James Version (KJV)

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.


Followers of Messiah/Christ do and must obey the Law of Moses.

 

[Elihoenai]

there you go- sinless perfectionism .

have not had one of you garbage pushers on here in a while, you are just another cult deceiver, nothing special, nothing new under the sun..

Ecclesiastes 1:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[dcontroversal]

And you were wrong, as shown with a post or two, of course you refuse to even acknowledge or respond to them because as usual you will not respond to anything you know you can not refute.

The tragic truth.....he and his attitude is one of the main reasons I have seen and heard MANY walk away from churches....a hyper legalist, hyper religionist, idolater that is as hypocritical as they come while peddling he is a super duper Christian.....I have seen this crap within the Independent Baptist ranks, Southern Baptist ranks, Missionary Baptist ranks and it is exactly why I will not engage him....he is as bad or worse than even the workers for, Cainologists and salvation losers in this aspect....he absolutely sits in the high seat of Pharisee-ism and like a hypocritical lawyer lays burdens and accusations upon men while looking down his finger and refusing to yank the telephone pole from his own eyes to see his own sin clearly.....such a hypocrite! <--- one of the side effects of Calvism and a legalist extraordinaire!!!!

 

[Elihoenai]

No it is true and he is correct.

Works do not save, never have never will.

Bizarre you use Galatians 3:10 out of context.... which is actually stating that the law is like a curse.

Here is the rest .... you are very deceitful.

11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Reconciling Scripture/Bible As Unified Whole Thread: https://christianchat.com/threads/reconciling-scripture-bible-as-unified-whole.188447/post-4076100

 

[dcontroversal]

How could you be complete in Messiah/Christ, when you continue to Sin? Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is Sinless and Perfect.

This right here proves that you have no concept of being saved, JUSTIFIED, SEALED, SANCTIFIED POSITIONALLY in Christ by faith dia the blood.....

Go stsrt kver and try to grasp the actual concept of the blood being APPLIED in the passover and then grasp the truth if this Concept in JESUS and what IT IS FINISHED actually means.....

 

[Elihoenai]

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

16And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19We love him, because he first loved us.

Thank you for posting those Scriptures.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am coming up on my 9 year anniversary

7 plus for me.....time flies

 

[Kolistus]

Mark 10:17-19 King James Version (KJV)

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.


Followers of Messiah/Christ do and must obey the Law of Moses.

No one obeys the law of Moses. You dont know the first thing about the Gospel or the Bible so please remain quiet until you do some further study.

 

[Elihoenai]

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law so that anyone who has faith in Him has by default fulfilled the law as well. Grace is a wonderful attribute of God. I encourage you to embrace it.

On another note, you’ve totally misconstrued the scripture you supplied.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ commands his Disciples to obey the Law, as he obeys the Law.

 

[dcontroversal]

With no challenging to his faulty doctrine.
....yet I have been the recipient of @preacher4truth correction multiple times?

He should change his name to preacherofcalvinism or followerofcalvin

 

[dcontroversal]

While I have heard this sentiment many times in the work world...
we are talking about truth here I believe....so it is not about finding some area of mutual compromise.....would you agree?

funny....one defends the truth and it is called ATTACK MODE....they have no concept of attack mode!

 

[Elihoenai]

You’re not perfect so what’s going to be your excuse come judgment day?

As Messiah/Christ teaches you must be Perfect. Follow his teaching and be a True Disciple.

 

[dcontroversal]

Agree
We do quite often have agreement here btw

He also believes it can be lost or must be maintained.....

 

[EleventhHour]

He also believes it can be lost or must be maintained.....

I did not know this good to know

 

[dcontroversal]

I have, because I read books about the Bible more then I read the Bible

I can tell you the more you stand in Biblical truth that better able you are to discern more truth...so yes it is important to try to persuade others

exactly....Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord....WE PERSUADE MEN.....and his view of different gospels is so false.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Agree
He was indeed objectively wrong
And his error was exposed
Interesting they both showed up together

And KNOW EACH OTHER PERSONALLY....

 

[Elihoenai]

Your blended covenant gospel ofnworks and law keeping drivel.....of course the bible is unified and YET THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COVENANTS....you are conflating BOTH into a false gospel....!!

The Ethnic Jews have rejected the Greek Scriptures/New Testament and the Christians have rejected the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament, thus producing and maintaining an immovable Wall of Division/Partition.

You can see more here: https://christianchat.com/threads/reconciling-scripture-bible-as-unified-whole.188447/post-4076100

 

[EleventhHour]

And KNOW EACH OTHER PERSONALLY....

Interesting for sure!

 

[dcontroversal]

Continuing to believe is not work.

You can twist all you want...you do indeed peddle a works based dogma by saying YOU MUST MAINTAIN FAITH OR LOSE SALVATION....QUIT Being deceptive and just own it pal!

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen, Gods promises include not only to make you new as His child, but also keeps His children without fail.

These Cainologists, Self faith maintainers, salvation losers have no concept of what the word IN MEANS when applied to our lives being HID IN CHRIST....they also openly reject JESUS FINISHING AND COMPLETING the work of FAITH IN US AND KEEPING US BY HIS POWER.....it is sickening the way they devalue JESUS and his promises and power!!