Not By Works

[preacher4truth]

Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us.

Where did he say this?

Eg is stating that EVIDENCE is not PROOF and this argument is "fruitless".

Which is utter nonsense. The epistle of 1 John refutes this, as it shows evidence of and lack of evidence of true conversion. 2 Corinthians 13:5 also refutes him. 2 Peter 1:10 does the same as well as 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 with the context of the epistles, along with Philippians 2:12-13. So, for him to dismiss this as fruitless is antiBiblical presumption. It is false teaching.

 

[preacher4truth]

@Judges1318 Did you say this?

"Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us." @OneOfHis says you did.

 

[OneOfHis]

Where did he say this?





Which is utter nonsense. The epistle of 1 John refutes this, as it shows evidence of and lack of evidence of true conversion. 2 Corinthians 13:5 also refutes him. 2 Peter 1:10 does the same as well as 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 with the context of the epistles, along with Philippians 2:12-13. So, for him to dismiss this as fruitless is antiBiblical presumption. It is false teaching.

Please stop talking to me unless you are willing to admit your false accusations and stop.


You made so many I can't see how talking to you would mean anything at all when what I say is being ignored and you keep adding your own meaning to my words.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where did he say this?





Which is utter nonsense. The epistle of 1 John refutes this, as it shows evidence of and lack of evidence of true conversion. 2 Corinthians 13:5 also refutes him. 2 Peter 1:10 does the same as well as 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 with the context of the epistles, along with Philippians 2:12-13. So, for him to dismiss this as fruitless is antiBiblical presumption. It is false teaching.

your utterly wrong
and if your going to respond the things concerning me then at least give me the common courtesy to respond to the posts I have made to you concerning the prodigal and religious person

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please stop talking to me unless you are willing to admit your false accusations and stop.


You made so many I can't see how talking to you would mean anything at all when what I say is being ignored and you keep adding your own meaning to my words.

That’s why I had him on ignore for awhile. He hates being told he is wrong

 

[Judges1318]

Me thinks you work too hard to convince people they have to "hold onto" what is there forever and ever.

Then you thinks the Bible works too hard to convince people they have to "hold onto" what is there forever and ever:

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.- Hebrews 4:14

"23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful." - Hebrews 10:23

"24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" - 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

As anybody can see for themselves I've only been saying what the Bible plainly says.

 

[Judges1318]

@Judges1318 Did you say this?

"Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us." @OneOfHis says you did.

Lol, no way.
I did not even allude to it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol, no way.
I did not even allude to it.

Here is proof positive some people are not worth responding too
they will not even admit the things they do

 

[EleventhHour]

@preacher4truth

You may never know you are saved for sure if you take false comfort in some misguided 'I don't have to do anything' doctrine of assurance.
Not having works of righteousness is actually where fear and lack of assurance comes from.
Diligence in works gives the believer full assurance of salvation right to the very end of life.
No works leaves the 'believer' wondering in lack of assurance if they really have Christ in them in salvation.

Oh really then explain the above or clarify the above

Lol, no way.
I did not even allude to it.

 

[OneOfHis]

@preacher4truth





Oh really then explain the above or clarify the above

Absolutely true, but will I be saved if I then do no works?

Saved is saved. God imputes righteousness without works.


"
Diligence in works gives the believer full assurance of salvation right to the very end of life.
No works leaves the 'believer' wondering in lack of assurance if they really have Christ in them in salvation."


It is not our works we look to but His works in us.

 

[EleventhHour]

Seek to confirm the presence of saving grace in your life by putting the word of God to work in your life. If you can't do that you may well not have the grace of God that you think you have. We are to test ourselves so we'll be ready to meet Jesus when He returns. Work is how you know you are saved and ready to meet Him.

And another
@preacher4truth

Works confirm salvation is this what you believe?

I stand on the promises of God ... the Holy Spirit testifies to my spirit .....it is a spiritual connection by the grace of God!

Judges is wrong!!!

 

[preacher4truth]

Lol, no way.
I did not even allude to it.

I figured as much.

Remember, on here, if you mention works or evidence of conversion they blindly assume that is a “works Gospel.” And of course they will misrepresent what you say, and when you show them they’re off track and haven’t read what you really said, they’ll say “but you’re still wrong” like a child.

 

[EleventhHour]

I figured as much.

Remember, on here, if you mention works or evidence of conversion they blindly assume that is a “works Gospel.” And of course they will misrepresent what you say, and when you show them they’re off track and haven’t read what you really said, they’ll say “but you’re still wrong” like a child.

Yes take his word for it

I have given to examples.

 

[Tellion]

Hi

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My cats definitely are....

This explains why she tries to eat the dog food... And potties on the guest bed... And spends midnight intonating in that ancient cat language, which is exactly the same as modern cat language (fun fact), while my wife and I are trying to sleep.

 

[EleventhHour]

I figured as much.

Remember, on here, if you mention works or evidence of conversion they blindly assume that is a “works Gospel.” And of course they will misrepresent what you say, and when you show them they’re off track and haven’t read what you really said, they’ll say “but you’re still wrong” like a child.

And we do no such thing.

@Judges1318 promotes a works gospel and now he feels all empowered that you are in his court.

Irony a man more against Calvinism than most of us.

 

[Tellion]

I cannot get beyond the following.....if the Calvinistic view is correct


MANY are called, but few are chosen.

MANY does not equal all
FEW of the MANY is even less

Explain why the number if FEW if MANY are called.....!

I have not forgotten about you, btw. I think I'm going to need a keyboard.

 

[EleventhHour]

@OneOfHis .... am I missing something?

Seems clear to me!!!

 

[EleventhHour]

Lol, no way.
I did not even allude to it.

Are you serious... go back and read your own posts.

Absolutely incredible!!!

 

[OneOfHis]

Yes take his word for it

I have given to examples.

There are more to look through.

P4t will obviously agree with whatever suits his motive though. "they came against me for agreeing with one thing"


Nope.
I said "God does not need evidence" to an open forum mostly in response to elo who said He does need evidence then partly to judges who constantly implies WE need to see works.

Maybe half a dozen times in the last week I have said works of righteousness which we do themselves can at most be seen as evidence by men.

He then went on a series of rants and I jumped in the immature boat with him. But I never implied he said something he didn't. Which he did to me.


As for judges.... it seems clear to me too....

 

[preacher4truth]

@OneOfHis Stop misrepresenting what others say, it is bearing false witness. Also, actually read what others are agreeing with instead of attacking first, only to, after calming down and being shown your mistake, you’re proven to be attacking a person for, um, believing what you believe. It's foolish of you to do this. Go read some Proverbs.