Not By Works

[Judges1318]

Anyone who says we have to "hold fast to our faith" in order to keep salvation IS saying Jesus needs help. Judges is one of those.

Me and Paul and the writer of Hebrews (Paul?).
I posted the scriptures.

Jesus don't need no hep savin' peoples. He just be askin' us to hold on to what he dun gave us.

 

[OneOfHis]

Hi EG...

Genuine question from me to you...

What does it mean when Jesus says " We will know them by their fruit " to your post above...
...xox...

It certainly doesn't conflict with

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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God doesn't need evidence.


Works at most can count as "evidence" and only before another "man" which has been stated many times.


Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us.

Elo falsely said God needs proof.


Others with bias and blindfolds jumped in and caused division.



Eg is stating that EVIDENCE is not PROOF and this argument is "fruitless".


We are saved by grace and get our assurance from Gods promises and know we are His by His works in us.



Yes, we can see the "fruits" of the self righteous who look to SELF to justify themself as righteous.

We can also see the lack of works (which some may call fruits) in fellow brothers and sisters and not see what God sees.

 

[star]

Me and Paul and the writer of Hebrews (Paul?).
I posted the scriptures.

Jesus don't need no hep savin' peoples. He just be askin' us to hold on to what he dun gave us.

Jesus gave and has "sealed" our salvation so there is nothing more for our salvation we can do. One cannot "hold onto" what has been offered, accepted, given and sealed unto eternal life. Me thinks you work too hard to convince people they have to "hold onto" what is there forever and ever.

 

[Elihoenai]

and what is the true religion?

Are you?

You teach Pop Christianity, a sure Hell way.

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus gave and has "sealed" our salvation so there is nothing more for our salvation we can do. One cannot "hold onto" what has been offered, accepted, given and sealed unto eternal life. Me thinks you work too hard to convince people they have to "hold onto" what is there forever and ever.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[Lightskin]

Anyone watch the Democratic debate’s last night? Mike Bloomberg experienced what it’s like to exist without grace. And no amount of works will establish grace.

 

[Elihoenai]

You really expect me to believe you're going to present your own righteousness to God and get in on those laurels? 😂

and what is the true religion?

True Religion is described by Elohim/God in Genesis to Revelations.

 

[Lightskin]

What you “preach” isn’t grace but antinomianism.

Eleven proclaims the full magnitude of God’s grace, and it’s beautiful.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi EG...

Genuine question from me to you...

What does it mean when Jesus says " We will know them by their fruit " to your post above...
...xox...

I think of the prodigal son.

In the world
most likely in some sort of sin
not even involved in any body

can we know them by their fruit? (as a true child of God who is not walking as apposed to a non believer who is acting his nature?)

 

[CherieR]

Anyone watch the Democratic debate’s last night? Mike Bloomberg experienced what it’s like to exist without grace. And no amount of works will establish grace.

I was watching it last night. They were really going after Bloomberg in what was spoken.

 

[dcontroversal]

Hmm.... I was gonna pretend to be all indignant, but I don't want to spend the entire day backing out of something I never really meant in the first place because nobody saw the humor in it.:-|

My post was not directed at you migo.....

 

[Lightskin]

Faith is what saves . . .
But, faith w/o works is dead.

Total oxymoronic theological viewpoint.

 

[Elihoenai]

You're silly.

You have already shown to have no clue what verses are saying in context. It feels like you are just making up a story as you go along to people who are well read in scripture and know what's being said, who it is being said to and why it is being said.


Your word games and attempts to sound wise (or even correct for that matter) have fallen flat.


You need to learn before you teach and using words from a language you wouldn't understand if it was spoken right next to you doesn't mean you're ready to act as if you hold some sort of hidden truth or authority.🤦‍♂️

1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Indeed, glad to say that we are Silly/Foolish in the eyes of you Greeks. Being Carnal, you know not the things of the Spirit of God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Samson, the prodogal and many others

all the while, the religious do Gooder, that does all these works in Jesus name is heaven bound, even though Jesus will declair he never knew them

Oh I fully agree.....The ONLY WORK required to be saved is the WORK of the Heavenly Father....BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT....Salvation and bearing fruit/works/ ongoing sanctification are two totally opposite sides of the coin and the latter is subject to growth, maturity and transformation per Rimans 12:1-2.....some men, yeah I dare to say MANY saved children of God produce little based upon a lack of the latter side of the coin described above!

 

[dcontroversal]

Who sprinkled sawdust in your bloomers?

I have seen your hypocritical flavor of Chriatianity rip churches right down the middle and or turn more people off from the truth than a sinner saved by grace received and given time to mature, transform and change.....God knows how to whip and his judgement is sure and true....Hypocrites that sit in the High seats of judging and accusing are usually the first ones that need to be removed!!

 

[dcontroversal]

He needs to learn proper grammar and put a comma between the words 'stone' and 'pharisee'. It should be "You that are without sin cast the first stone, Pharisee!"

It makes all the difference. Its like saying "Let's eat grandma" and "Let's eat, grandma!" All the difference in the world.

If this was aimed at me, it was idiotic....I just came back from a 3 month stay in Australia, have jet lag from a 17 hour flight, and have had no sleep due to my biological clock....so...both you and your mouthy Calvin worshipping pal can back slap each other all you want......!

 

[dcontroversal]

You're the only one throwing stones, calling names. I know this man personally, he is a loving brother, full of grace and humility. His church isn't hypocritical, yet you're implying it is. His wife received bad news today concerning her health. We are in prayer over them here. Do you have some more mud to sling? I'll bet you do and will wait to see it and watch those who like your response.

Hahhaah the Calvin worshipping mud slinger addressed me.....how about another reconciliation letter behind the scenes while mouthing openly hypocrite.....No thanks.......I danced with you once already and that broken record will not be played again......Try some humility....and just for once put the bible above Calvin.....!

As far as his wife....did he openly ask prayer for her or maybe us sinners are not good enough to pray for her.....??

 

[Elihoenai]

4. People like you who think they are Elohim's people. based on how good they think they are. while all the while ignoring the law. whivh says if you break one command, Your guilty, and as a result. under the curse of the law.

James 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.


This fourth type of person, similar to third, studies the Scriptures for themselves and see what they want to see and not the Original True Teachings. They than disseminate this False Teaching believing that they are among the few that have the Original Doctrine.

Summarised:
4) The few not part of the mainstream Denominational and Non-Denominational churches deceived by the Satan/Devil and deluded into believing that they are in the Truth and are actually devouring Elohim's/God's sheep.

Can you or any other member on these forums think of an essential fifth type of person?

 

[dcontroversal]

It is the issue yet in the past you've denied its necessity. That is solemn to consider.

If conversion has taken place there will be evidence. There is no issue with stating conversion hasn't taken place if there is no evidence. In fact, it is biblical. There is no conversion without proof. Show us all with Scripture a person who was converted but had no evidence.

For the record 1 John is all about evidence. Or not.

WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.........

Saved is saved BEFORE ANY and ALL WORK........

Calvin has led you down a path of faith plus works for........
Describe works of wood, hay and stubble and how they PROOVE salvation......we will all wait.....what did Calvin say.....oh wait.....I mean the bible!

 

[dcontroversal]

That which is on the inside will show itself on the outside.

Works of wood, hay and stubble <<-the monkey wrench in your dogma!