The gathering of the church is not related to the "one taken and one left" parable. When the resurrection takes place and the living are changed and caught up, we do not know what percentage of the world that will be, just that those who are in Christ, watching and ready, will be caught up. In opposition to the gathering of the church, the "one Taken" event takes place when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.
Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?
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Well I think this is not proper verbiage especially saying wheat left in the field when scripture says placed in the barn that is taken from the field and placed in another place a barn.
taken in the flood can only mean their life ended, this saying has been around for awhile, it’s just a saying like he was taken to soon. Noah and his family cannot have been left on the boat they walked aboard the boat and they where taken from the destruction
taken in the flood can only mean their life ended, this saying has been around for awhile, it’s just a saying like he was taken to soon. Noah and his family cannot have been left on the boat they walked aboard the boat and they where taken from the destruction
Luke says "destroyed "
Mat says took them away
It appears 2 different groups are addressed.
I don't get it how it is plausable the ones taken could be anything but the rapture and the ones left could be anything but the ones left behind in the parable of the virgins (mat 25)
Not only that,but they are spoken of in practically the same paragraph.
Remember they are paired up worldwide.
...a devil worshipper with the mark in bed with a righteous?
In a field?
Mat says took them away
It appears 2 different groups are addressed.
I don't get it how it is plausable the ones taken could be anything but the rapture and the ones left could be anything but the ones left behind in the parable of the virgins (mat 25)
Not only that,but they are spoken of in practically the same paragraph.
Remember they are paired up worldwide.
...a devil worshipper with the mark in bed with a righteous?
In a field?
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That’s a good point I like that, of the ten 5 had taken their oil and was ready the other 5 had left their oil at home, which ones where taken with him into the marriage not the ones who left the oil but the ones who had taken the oil, that is quite the profound statement in Matthew 25
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Yeah.. I have also heard both sides. its Gods people.. not He is taking the evil ones. Its just some army something like that taking people.
I have never taken this to have anything what so ever to do with "Caught up/Rapture". Well Christ went to make us a home and told them eye to eye if I go I will come back and get you so WHERE (where is He?) I am you will be. If He KNEW He was never coming back to get them He would have told the. I think all He knows is the Father will say when. And also before He went up they asked Him if He is going to RULE now? He said? Of those seasons and times only the Father knows.
And Rev.. the end behold I come quickly.
I have never taken this to have anything what so ever to do with "Caught up/Rapture". Well Christ went to make us a home and told them eye to eye if I go I will come back and get you so WHERE (where is He?) I am you will be. If He KNEW He was never coming back to get them He would have told the. I think all He knows is the Father will say when. And also before He went up they asked Him if He is going to RULE now? He said? Of those seasons and times only the Father knows.
And Rev.. the end behold I come quickly.
That's not what the LORD revealed to Zechariah..
Prophecy of the Day of The LORD in context..
Zechariah 14: KJV
12"¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. {13} And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. {14} And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. {15} And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague. {16} ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. {17} And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. {18} And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. {19} This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."
These peoples that are left of the nations that came up against Jerusalem ( in the army of the beast on the day of the battle of Armageddon ) will be ruled by the LORD of hosts ( Jesus ) with a rod of iron.. And if they fail to come to Jerusalem to Worship the King of kings ( Note:: Only God is to be worshiped ) rain will be withheld form them and they will be struck with the terrible plague that the LORD struck the army of the beast with on the day of the battle of Armageddon..
The resurrected Saints who will be ruling with Jesus will be transformed into perfected eternal beings and there is no way Jesus is going to use Rod of Iron rule over His beloved Children..
Prophecy of the Day of The LORD in context..
Zechariah 14: KJV
12"¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. {13} And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. {14} And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. {15} And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague. {16} ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. {17} And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. {18} And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. {19} This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."
These peoples that are left of the nations that came up against Jerusalem ( in the army of the beast on the day of the battle of Armageddon ) will be ruled by the LORD of hosts ( Jesus ) with a rod of iron.. And if they fail to come to Jerusalem to Worship the King of kings ( Note:: Only God is to be worshiped ) rain will be withheld form them and they will be struck with the terrible plague that the LORD struck the army of the beast with on the day of the battle of Armageddon..
The resurrected Saints who will be ruling with Jesus will be transformed into perfected eternal beings and there is no way Jesus is going to use Rod of Iron rule over His beloved Children..
No. because after this happens at the end of the 1000 years then the final judgement happens and there will be no one who shall be ruled with a fist of Iron... Jesus will not be inflicting His perfected Saints with droughts and plagues if they do not come to Jerusalem.. There shall be no wrath of God after the final judgement on earth.. This Zechariah scripture is therefore talking about the return of Jesus and His rule with the Saints on earth.. where we shall be ruling over normal human beings..
Fire devours death. Dust returns to the field of clay
If its appointed for all men do die once. How do we get "second death"?
When the judgement comes on the last day, death and hell. Hell the source of suffering end in death as to the letter of the law, it would of served it usefulness .(you shall surely die a suffering death ) That judgment is cast in the fire of God never to rise again .
Its smoke will rise until the last day under the Sun, as the wrath of God being revealed from heaven today. (Roman1) . Heaven where we have our eternal citizenship would seem to be right over the horizon . . .
If its appointed for all men do die once. How do we get "second death"?
When the judgement comes on the last day, death and hell. Hell the source of suffering end in death as to the letter of the law, it would of served it usefulness .(you shall surely die a suffering death ) That judgment is cast in the fire of God never to rise again .
Its smoke will rise until the last day under the Sun, as the wrath of God being revealed from heaven today. (Roman1) . Heaven where we have our eternal citizenship would seem to be right over the horizon . . .