Not By Works

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preacher4truth said:
Wow, that’s funny! Tell me how I don’t practice what I preach in the context of this discussion and I will repent publicly once you prove it.

As to our discussion the issue was being chided by @OneOfHis for agreeing with @Judges1318 who was actually correct for once. The problem with that was the fact he was scolding me for agreeing with him on something oneofhis finally said he agreed with as well. So there was no need for it.

It is apparent he, like you and others on here, go into attack mode before you stop and understand what was actually said. Nope, see someone agree with your opponent? Attack them for it only to find out later your attack was out of blind ignorance. Yes, just like your above post, an opportunity to get a jab in and make a baseless accusation. But that’s what this thread is dedicated to. Biting, devouring, one upping. That’s why I call it juvenile, because it is.

Sometimes even an opponent gets it right, so, I gave the guy a like, some encouragement, only to be insulted, and even another @Tellion rushes in to accuse of siding with him because I agreed with the truth he presented. It’s sad most of you refuse to see something that was said is actually true because you’re in attack mode on them. That’s not being fair, honest, nor is it being an adult.

That’s what many of you do, absolutely no grace, but full on attack mode. It is all very juvenile. Even after showing oneofhis his mistake, and exposing him, the childish ending response was “But you are still wrong” or some similar childish remark that was at that point baseless. That instead of graciously owning up and admitting he was out of line. Not that I expect you to do any better and own up yourself that these things are true, obviously that is way above you.
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You were wrong. What I said was accurate.

You only "exposed" your own anger. 🤦‍♂️

I was wrong for how dismissive I was and for even egging the argument on. I'm over it.

But so much of what you say is twisted and untrue.

It's sad.

Either you're being dishonest or you misunderstood everything completely. (then followed with this post again putting words in my mouth)

I never implied or said or ever agreed with half of the things you say I do. In every conversation we have had.

I hope you do repent. If you go back and read (sackcloth too) honestly you would see you are wrong.
 
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Tellion said:
It reads like an internet gamer trash talking his opponents. Right or wrong, his certainly isn't the behavior of a Christian. Thank you for your advocacy on our brother' behalf.
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I don’t know anything about internet gamer talk.

But what I do know is that you’re willing to falsely accuse a person of "siding with someone" simply because they agreed with something they said which happened to be true.

But this just shows your inability to show grace or to think rationally. Instead of those things you decide to attack and accuse. This may signify what type of person you are, in that persons only draw up the nutriments that contribute to the fruit they bear which show forth their true character.
 
EleventhHour said:
And that gift is not revocable nor can it be lost or forsaken.
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I believe you were addressing something about "salvation" yes? What you said, the way you said it. I don't hear or see that posted in many Christian forums. I have always known? Believed what God gives He never takes back. Satan and all those that fell with him. Still have everything God gave them. And yet Satan is the FLIP side of everything GOD is. Had to make sure I lol said that.

What comes to mind "its the GIFT of God". And I read how some seem to believe GOD can do anything He wants. The TRUTH in that is.. take SIN and toss it away. All the thoughts feelings and desires we have.. everything MAN IS.. God is not. HE has not changed. What I love about Jesus was when the woman came to Him and asked for her sons to sit on His right and left. Read it.. He never said NO!

He said.. you don't know what you ask. That is not mine to give but the Father.

Lets read some different versions of Rom 11
" God does not take back his gifts. He does not change his mind about those he has chosen. 30 At one time you did not obey God. But now you have received mercy because Israel did not obey. 31 In the same way, Israel has not been obeying God. But now they receive mercy because of God’s mercy to you. "

"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

"The gifts and calling are subject to no recall. They are irrevocable." So this gift of salvation .. God can not will not change.. one its DONE its over its finished. Christ died rose PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS for worlds sin. The gift has been given.. the GOOD NEWS.. will you take it? This gift which is not of this world.. its no based on how GOOD or BAD I am. Its strange how.. we talk about WORKS.. we now what IS written on that. By grace we saved through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Wow theres that word again gift. So.. what I read is.. "not of yourselves" I had no part in it. But.. we as MAN know NOTHING in this world is free. We MUST do something to get to keep anything. How is GOD any different right? Well Hes a spirit not man.

And there is no verse in the bible that says "to stay saved one must or has to do good works, works of righteousness" <---there is a truth in that. We should be doing good works.. works of righteousness. When we were of this world we did sinful works. So saved..there is something NEW in us.. a NEW man which after GOD is created in righteousness and true holiness. So one would think I SHOULD be doing those things right? HELLO? We still live in a FLESHLY body that has not been changed. I still do the things I don't want to do .. and don't do the things I should. Pfft I just wanted to tell "EleventhHour" I agreed.. liked that post lol

Forgive me.. pushing over carts now. This is how I personally see this. I am not SAVED .. well its not of this world. This world is NOT my home. I am not from here. This is not a nice saying.. a nice thought. Its fact. So with my Father right now there is no time. And no SIN can enter heaven. There is NO CHANCE I will ever NOT want to be saved. NO ONE will EVER fall from Heaven again. All the doubts worry fear things of this world are HERE not with our Father. There is no TIME or SPACE as we understand it there.

Please.. He knows all the HORRORS that can come in this life. And the WRONG choices we can make. He does then take that MOMENT to define your/our whole life. For me.. there were times.. man I am DONE! Rather be sinning all the time. The WORLD never makes fun of me..not like...HUGE SORRY HERE.. believers HAVE done to me. Then Satan.. Hello.. seems to not bother me so much. God never once said.. ok later! Seems He never let me go..can't. What does He do? He reminds me.. theres no condemnation with Him. That because I simply believe in JESUS.. I AM righteous aka righteousness. That HE sees me through what CHRIST already did.. done. So I CAN go to Him..boldly.. freely.. as if I have NEVER sinned. And as it IS written.. I AM seated in Heavenly places with HIM. Can't do this with ANY sin in you. This is the meat.

HAHA its not easy KNOWING your free. Thats the pain.. thats what hurts. He shows up.. treats you as if you have NEVER sinned. You see hear feel this HOLINESS how pure love He is. All you or me can see is how awful I have do treat Him..wow made my self cry. You would think WOOT.. He sees nothing.. nope. Thats the pain.. this is not easy. Those HOLES means something. I have been saved.. nothing can ever take that away. The way I FEEL? I will be at His feet.. saying THANK YOU for ever.. not looking for any reward.. no house nothing.. He left all of that.. to take my place because He LOVES ME. I am so humbled.. so thankful. And to be free.. yet to always hoping praying seeking to do nothing but GOOD works for Him. To gain to get to receive? Nothings.. its already.. that salvation.

I am no writer so forgive me. Where some take moments to write some thing.. takes me 20-hours. This time.. I made my self really cry... I DON'T want to EVER take what He did.. for granted.. to EVER Forget it
 
Judges1318 said:
"13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:13
What things did he write so that we may know we have eternal life?
These things:

"This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." - 1 John 2:5-6

"10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." - 1 John 3:10

"14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other." - 1 John 3:14

"18Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
19This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence" - 1 John 3:18-19

"Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." - 1 John 4:7

if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit." - 1 John 4:12-13

"Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus." - 1 John 4:16-17

"2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands." - 1 John 5:2


The changed life is how you know you have eternal life inside of you.
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Exactly, but they are incapable of distinguishing a works Gospel from evidence of conversion. Mention the word works and they go into a frenzy and attack mode. Must be due to their antinomianism. Matthew 7:21-23.
 
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Elihoenai said:
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


It is impossible to understand the Greek Scriptures/New Testament in isolation from the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament. The Scriptures/Bible is a Unified Whole!

You must get the Inspiration of Elohim/God.
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False and the more you post the more evident the following two facts are...

a. You don't know scripture
b. You don't know what you are talking about
 
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