We need to examine the natural evidence that God gives us. If they want to claim that the Earth is ONLY 6,000 years old then where do the dinosaurs fit into that? I have a fair amount of fossils here because there is an abundance of them that God has preserved for us to examine. There is a guy in Montana that built a whole building out of dinosaur bones. They are that abundant and plentiful.
A little food for thought.
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“We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to as it is wriiten , with it being the one source of the faith of God not seen and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers.” (Garee)
Can't find God under a microscope as rudiments of this world no DNA. And the missing bone is still missing .
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
We use the things not seen to prove the things seen.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, "being understood" by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:19-20
Can't find God under a microscope as rudiments of this world no DNA. And the missing bone is still missing .
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
We use the things not seen to prove the things seen.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, "being understood" by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:19-20
Sorry but you are absolutely wrong about that because scripture contradicts your statement. First of all there is not one single mention of any plant life of any kind being loaded onto the Ark and there is not one single command from God to Noah to bring any kind of plant life into the Ark except for that which they needed to eat in order to survive the flood.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of ALL FLESH is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
All flesh means all flesh.
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Again, "ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE", means "ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE".
In Genesis 6:7 when it says "from under the heaven" and "every thing that is in the earth shall die" means that every single being living on the WHOLE EARTH shall die. Not just on one part of the earth but in all of the earth.
Again scrip. ture is very clear about the fact that every living thing the had the breath of life in it around the entire world was kiiled by the flood. Not just the middle east.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
All of the answers we need are written in the Word Of God. But if the answer we are looking for is not written in the Word, it is not, and we shouldn't be trying to add to the Word to suit what we would like to believe verses what is.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of ALL FLESH is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
All flesh means all flesh.
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Again, "ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE", means "ALL FLESH, WHEREIN THERE IS THE BREATH OF LIFE".
In Genesis 6:7 when it says "from under the heaven" and "every thing that is in the earth shall die" means that every single being living on the WHOLE EARTH shall die. Not just on one part of the earth but in all of the earth.
Again scrip. ture is very clear about the fact that every living thing the had the breath of life in it around the entire world was kiiled by the flood. Not just the middle east.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
All of the answers we need are written in the Word Of God. But if the answer we are looking for is not written in the Word, it is not, and we shouldn't be trying to add to the Word to suit what we would like to believe verses what is.
Fins and flippers, of course.
I've not read their post.
Angels are spirits. It stands to reason then that they would not suffer the affects of the flood but would reside elsewhere until it was over.
That leads to the often asked question, why did God allow the fallen angels and their leader to live? And not only that but since they showed their evil in Heaven, thinking to overthrow their Creator, why would God let them come to the newly created earth and bring evil here? And also, if Lucifer, then called Ha Satan, was banished from Heaven , cast out, why did he still have access so as to meet with God on occasion? As is reported in scripture.
Yes exactly, this is the Key we are looking for. The male and female created in Genesis ch 1 had LIFE: Chay, they did not have the breath of life: Ruach. We are ONLY dealing with ONE word, so how hard can this be? Clearly God did not destroy all the life that was on the earth in the day of Noah.
Genesis 1:2
HEB: פְּנֵ֣י תְה֑וֹם וְר֣וּחַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים מְרַחֶ֖פֶת
NAS: of the deep, and the Spirit of God
KJV: of the deep. And the Spirit of God
INT: the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving
Genesis 3:8
HEB: מִתְהַלֵּ֥ךְ בַּגָּ֖ן לְר֣וּחַ הַיּ֑וֹם וַיִּתְחַבֵּ֨א
NAS: in the garden in the cool of the day,
KJV: in the garden in the cool of the day:
INT: walking the garden the cool of the day hid
Genesis 6:3
HEB: לֹֽא־ יָד֨וֹן רוּחִ֤י בָֽאָדָם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ם
NAS: said, My Spirit shall not strive
KJV: said, My spirit shall not always
INT: shall not strive my Spirit man forever
Genesis 6:17
HEB: אֲשֶׁר־ בּוֹ֙ ר֣וּחַ חַיִּ֔ים מִתַּ֖חַת
NAS: in which is the breath of life,
KJV: all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life,
INT: flesh which is the breath of life under
Genesis 7:15
HEB: אֲשֶׁר־ בּ֖וֹ ר֥וּחַ חַיִּֽים׃
NAS: flesh in which was the breath of life.
KJV: wherein [is] the breath of life.
INT: flesh which was the breath of life
Genesis 7:22
HEB: אֲשֶׁר֩ נִשְׁמַת־ ר֨וּחַ חַיִּ֜ים בְּאַפָּ֗יו
NAS: was the breath of the spirit of life,
INT: whose was the breath of the spirit of life nostrils
Genesis 1:2
HEB: פְּנֵ֣י תְה֑וֹם וְר֣וּחַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים מְרַחֶ֖פֶת
NAS: of the deep, and the Spirit of God
KJV: of the deep. And the Spirit of God
INT: the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving
Genesis 3:8
HEB: מִתְהַלֵּ֥ךְ בַּגָּ֖ן לְר֣וּחַ הַיּ֑וֹם וַיִּתְחַבֵּ֨א
NAS: in the garden in the cool of the day,
KJV: in the garden in the cool of the day:
INT: walking the garden the cool of the day hid
Genesis 6:3
HEB: לֹֽא־ יָד֨וֹן רוּחִ֤י בָֽאָדָם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ם
NAS: said, My Spirit shall not strive
KJV: said, My spirit shall not always
INT: shall not strive my Spirit man forever
Genesis 6:17
HEB: אֲשֶׁר־ בּוֹ֙ ר֣וּחַ חַיִּ֔ים מִתַּ֖חַת
NAS: in which is the breath of life,
KJV: all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life,
INT: flesh which is the breath of life under
Genesis 7:15
HEB: אֲשֶׁר־ בּ֖וֹ ר֥וּחַ חַיִּֽים׃
NAS: flesh in which was the breath of life.
KJV: wherein [is] the breath of life.
INT: flesh which was the breath of life
Genesis 7:22
HEB: אֲשֶׁר֩ נִשְׁמַת־ ר֨וּחַ חַיִּ֜ים בְּאַפָּ֗יו
NAS: was the breath of the spirit of life,
INT: whose was the breath of the spirit of life nostrils
There are a LOT of plants talked about in the Bible. This is referred to as Botany. There are experts with PhD's at the University in Jerusalem that are experts on the domestication of Wild plants in the middle East. Science is very interested in this because this was the beginning of farming. So a lot of study has gone into this.
God did not speak to Moses face to face because it as impossible to look upon God and live. [The Book of Exodus chapter 33]
The Book of Numbers chapter 12
12 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. 2 And they said, “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?” And the Lord heard it. 3 Now the man Moses was very meek, more than all people who were on the face of the earth. 4 And suddenly the Lord said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting.” And the three of them came out. 5 And the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. 6 And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. 7 Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. 8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” 9 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, and he departed.
10 When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous,[a] like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous. 11 And Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord, do not punish us[b] because we have done foolishly and have sinned.
The Book of Numbers chapter 12
12 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. 2 And they said, “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?” And the Lord heard it. 3 Now the man Moses was very meek, more than all people who were on the face of the earth. 4 And suddenly the Lord said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting.” And the three of them came out. 5 And the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. 6 And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. 7 Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. 8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” 9 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, and he departed.
10 When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous,[a] like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous. 11 And Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord, do not punish us[b] because we have done foolishly and have sinned.
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You omitted verse 10. Doing this it appears God contradicts himself in verses 11 to 23. However, He does not do this. It was not face to face. It was mouth to mouth. In other words, God spoke directly to Moshe/Moses, from within the cloud God provided. Otherwise, in the latter verses of chapter 33 , if one believes God spoke to Moshe/Moses face to face as we do with our friends, then God would be said to contradict Himself when He said one cannot live and look upon the face of God.
Orthodox Jewish Version: The Book of Exodus chapter 33:10 And kol HaAm saw the Ammud of the Anan stand at the petach Ohel; and kol HaAm rose up and worshiped, every man in his petach ohel. And Hashem spoke unto Moshe face to face, as an ish speaketh unto his re’a. And he returned into the machaneh; but his mesharet Yehoshua ben Nun, a na’ar, departed not out of the Ohel.
12 And Moshe said unto Hashem, See, Thou sayest unto me, Bring this people onward; and Thou hast not let me know whom Thou wilt send with me. Yet Thou hast said, I know thee by shem, and thou hast also found chen (grace, unmerited favor) in My sight.
13 Therefore, now, if I have found chen in Thy sight, show me now Thy Derech, that I may have da’as of Thee, that I may find chen in Thy sight; and consider that this nation is Thy people.
14 And He said, My Presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
15 And he said unto Him, If Thy Presence go not with me, bring us not up from here [Sinai].
16 For how then shall it be known that I and Thy people have found chen in Thy sight? Is it not in that Thou goest with us? So shall we be made distinct as separate, I and Thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of ha’adamah.
17 And Hashem said unto Moshe, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken; for thou hast found chen in My sight, and I know thee by shem.
18 And he said, show me now Thy kavod.
19 And He said, I will make kol tuvi (all My goodness) pass in front of thee, and I will call out with the Shem of Hashem before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show rachamim on whom I will show rachamim.
20 And He said, Thou canst not see My face; for there shall no adam see Me, and live.
21 And Hashem said, Hinei, there is a place near Me, and thou shalt stand upon the tzur;
22 And it shall come to pass, while My kavod passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the tzur, and will cover thee with My yad until I pass by;
23 And I will take away Mine yad, and thou shalt see My back; but My face shall not be seen.
NRSV: Exodus 33:10: When all the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of the tent, all the people would rise and bow down, all of them, at the entrance of their tent.Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then he would return to the camp; but his young assistant, Joshua son of Nun, would not leave the tent.
Moses’ Intercession
12 Moses said to the Lord, “See, you have said to me, ‘Bring up this people’; but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. Yet you have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have also found favor in my sight.’ 13 Now if I have found favor in your sight, show me your ways, so that I may know you and find favor in your sight. Consider too that this nation is your people.” 14 He said, “My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.” 15 And he said to him, “If your presence will not go, do not carry us up from here. 16 For how shall it be known that I have found favor in your sight, I and your people, unless you go with us? In this way, we shall be distinct, I and your people, from every people on the face of the earth.”
17 The Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing that you have asked; for you have found favor in my sight, and I know you by name.” 18 Moses said, “Show me your glory, I pray.” 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you the name, ‘The Lord’;[a] and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face; for no one shall see me and live.” 21 And the Lord continued, “See, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock; 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by; 23 then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back; but my face shall not be seen.”
Orthodox Jewish Version: The Book of Exodus chapter 33:10 And kol HaAm saw the Ammud of the Anan stand at the petach Ohel; and kol HaAm rose up and worshiped, every man in his petach ohel. And Hashem spoke unto Moshe face to face, as an ish speaketh unto his re’a. And he returned into the machaneh; but his mesharet Yehoshua ben Nun, a na’ar, departed not out of the Ohel.
12 And Moshe said unto Hashem, See, Thou sayest unto me, Bring this people onward; and Thou hast not let me know whom Thou wilt send with me. Yet Thou hast said, I know thee by shem, and thou hast also found chen (grace, unmerited favor) in My sight.
13 Therefore, now, if I have found chen in Thy sight, show me now Thy Derech, that I may have da’as of Thee, that I may find chen in Thy sight; and consider that this nation is Thy people.
14 And He said, My Presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
15 And he said unto Him, If Thy Presence go not with me, bring us not up from here [Sinai].
16 For how then shall it be known that I and Thy people have found chen in Thy sight? Is it not in that Thou goest with us? So shall we be made distinct as separate, I and Thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of ha’adamah.
17 And Hashem said unto Moshe, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken; for thou hast found chen in My sight, and I know thee by shem.
18 And he said, show me now Thy kavod.
19 And He said, I will make kol tuvi (all My goodness) pass in front of thee, and I will call out with the Shem of Hashem before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show rachamim on whom I will show rachamim.
20 And He said, Thou canst not see My face; for there shall no adam see Me, and live.
21 And Hashem said, Hinei, there is a place near Me, and thou shalt stand upon the tzur;
22 And it shall come to pass, while My kavod passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the tzur, and will cover thee with My yad until I pass by;
23 And I will take away Mine yad, and thou shalt see My back; but My face shall not be seen.
NRSV: Exodus 33:10: When all the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of the tent, all the people would rise and bow down, all of them, at the entrance of their tent.Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then he would return to the camp; but his young assistant, Joshua son of Nun, would not leave the tent.
Moses’ Intercession
12 Moses said to the Lord, “See, you have said to me, ‘Bring up this people’; but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. Yet you have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have also found favor in my sight.’ 13 Now if I have found favor in your sight, show me your ways, so that I may know you and find favor in your sight. Consider too that this nation is your people.” 14 He said, “My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.” 15 And he said to him, “If your presence will not go, do not carry us up from here. 16 For how shall it be known that I have found favor in your sight, I and your people, unless you go with us? In this way, we shall be distinct, I and your people, from every people on the face of the earth.”
17 The Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing that you have asked; for you have found favor in my sight, and I know you by name.” 18 Moses said, “Show me your glory, I pray.” 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you the name, ‘The Lord’;[a] and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face; for no one shall see me and live.” 21 And the Lord continued, “See, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock; 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by; 23 then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back; but my face shall not be seen.”
The first letter does represent the mouth. That does set the pace for the word. So I guess I could go along with that. In verse 20 the Hebrew word is missing the last letter that we find in verse 11. This represents water and that reminds me of Rev 14:2 "I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters". We hear the voice of God referred to as the sound of rushing water. The "face" in verse 20 ends with a Yod. This represents God talking down to us. Like an adult would talk with a child. Not openly and direct as with Moses.
Asking questions isn't questioning God's ways. If it were the studies in Christian literature would not exist for fear one would Blaspheme in the process of seeking to learn more about God's word and ways.
The Book of 2nd Timothy chapter 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
The Book of 2nd Timothy chapter 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
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One does not need to be an expert to do research to discover the truth and frankly I could care less about what the so called experts say when it comes to the Word of God.
These so called experts say that the world is millions of years old, they claim to know how the earth was created and how the dinosaurs died out and they don't and farming didn't start after the flood it started before the flood.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Cain was the first farmer but after he murdered his brother he became a builder of cities.
So once again I say, there is not one single mention of any plant life being brought into the Ark unless it was needed to survive the flood. If it is not written in the Word of God it is not!
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These so called experts say that the world is millions of years old, they claim to know how the earth was created and how the dinosaurs died out and they don't and farming didn't start after the flood it started before the flood.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Cain was the first farmer but after he murdered his brother he became a builder of cities.
So once again I say, there is not one single mention of any plant life being brought into the Ark unless it was needed to survive the flood. If it is not written in the Word of God it is not!
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We need to examine the natural evidence that God gives us. If they want to claim that the Earth is ONLY 6,000 years old then where do the dinosaurs fit into that? I have a fair amount of fossils here because there is an abundance of them that God has preserved for us to examine. There is a guy in Montana that built a whole building out of dinosaur bones. They are that abundant and plentiful.
Faith, the gift from Him, tells me the adopted children of God and His original children are made to fit in His Kingdome.
Where we are is NOT His Kingdom, it is a temporal creation for the fire next time. Ask for more faith, and do not pervert the Father's dominion, power and glory.
Yes, when I posted that it was directed to the accusation, wrongly placed, that I may be antisemetic.
Many times I have pointed out to all that we are to judge "for ourselves" what is right, the pivotal words are with the apostrophes.
We are never to judge unto damnation nor to bear a false witness…...……..context is important. If you are teaching others withuot hearing them on the subject it can be annoying at best.
Many times I have pointed out to all that we are to judge "for ourselves" what is right, the pivotal words are with the apostrophes.
We are never to judge unto damnation nor to bear a false witness…...……..context is important. If you are teaching others withuot hearing them on the subject it can be annoying at best.
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