A little food for thought.
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yes. but is that all?
i mean, there's sodomy in practically every city in America today. there's been sodomy all over Europe for centuries, for thousands of years in some places. why haven't any of these been utterly destroyed by fire, yet?
i've listened to a lot of different preachers talk about Sodom. 50, more. maybe 75. i don't count. it seems that it occurs to almost none of them that there is anything more to be learned here than 'homosexuality is terrible bad' -- but i think, seriously?? Sodom & Gomorrah is a local extinction event. Gibeah is the extinction of almost the entire tribe of Benjamin. the flood is a world-wide extinction event. homosexuality is wickedness, but there is something incredibly evil happening in these places, and they are definitely linked together in scripture. in Judges 19-21, the people of Israel see parts of the body of a woman and immediately know they have to completely obliterate everything in the place it happened. they say nothing has been seen like this since before they came out of Egypt. do you think there was no homosexuality any of them had ever heard about before whatever it was in Gibeah? i don't think that's what they are recognizing has happened -- not by seeing a piece of a dead woman. does not fit.
((IMO))
God is patient. you could tell me, God is just being very merciful & patient. i can't - and won't even try to - argue with that
i mean, there's sodomy in practically every city in America today. there's been sodomy all over Europe for centuries, for thousands of years in some places. why haven't any of these been utterly destroyed by fire, yet?
i've listened to a lot of different preachers talk about Sodom. 50, more. maybe 75. i don't count. it seems that it occurs to almost none of them that there is anything more to be learned here than 'homosexuality is terrible bad' -- but i think, seriously?? Sodom & Gomorrah is a local extinction event. Gibeah is the extinction of almost the entire tribe of Benjamin. the flood is a world-wide extinction event. homosexuality is wickedness, but there is something incredibly evil happening in these places, and they are definitely linked together in scripture. in Judges 19-21, the people of Israel see parts of the body of a woman and immediately know they have to completely obliterate everything in the place it happened. they say nothing has been seen like this since before they came out of Egypt. do you think there was no homosexuality any of them had ever heard about before whatever it was in Gibeah? i don't think that's what they are recognizing has happened -- not by seeing a piece of a dead woman. does not fit.
((IMO))
God is patient. you could tell me, God is just being very merciful & patient. i can't - and won't even try to - argue with that
I do believe it was something to do with the fact that the people in the time of Noah and Sodom were pure evil and homosexuality and sexual immorality was at the fore front of it all.
Remember that Noah had a grace period of 100 - 120 years (can't remember now of hand
) but still they had a grace period. When Abraham had his discussion with God, God said to Him He will not uterlly destroy the city if a small number of His people could be found in them. I know it is hard to believe but in all these places there are still children of God living there and that just might be His grace
. I love how God can teach us His grace in events like these.
The other worrrying thing I can see unfolding over the last few years is all the supernatural nonsense they are feeding us in the movies. It wouldn't surprise me if these kind of demon possessed people start to appear more and more in the real world.
When the human race begin to mix its seed... that is when God will pull the plug. As in the days of Noah and Sodom
When he comes on the last day and does not find the spiritual seed then he will pull the plug. Un like the days of Noah and Sodom the next the end of the corrupted world and universe.
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The word used is Adamah. The word for the whole earth would be Erets. I did a study on this and what you are saying is simply not true. We know that the whole earth was not flooded at the time of Noah. There are two letters added for Adamah the Hey and the Mem. The mem represents water. Right now the information that we have to work with would indicate that Eden is still under water, under the persian gulf. There is no question that Noah was real person, with a real ark and a real flood. But the idea that the whole earth was flooded is simply not true. Noah's flood is an archetype of the flood that took place around 200 million years ago when the supercontinent of Pangea was flooded and destroyed. This is all supported by our understanding of plate tectonics. The plants and animals that Noah saved are what we would call domesticated. The use of archetypes in the Bible is difficult for some people to understand.
adamah: ground, land
Original Word: אֲדָמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: adamah
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-aw-maw')
Definition: ground, land
NAS Exhaustive Con
erets: earth, land
Original Word: אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-rets)
Definition: earth, land
adamah: ground, land
Original Word: אֲדָמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: adamah
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-aw-maw')
Definition: ground, land
NAS Exhaustive Con
erets: earth, land
Original Word: אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-rets)
Definition: earth, land
המים גברו מאד מאד על־הארץ ויכסו כל־ההרים הגבהים אשׁר־תחת כל־השׁמים׃
Here above in bold it says "upon the earth," al haeretz. The Bible says here the waters prevailed upon the uearth under all the heavens, not some of the heavens. The word heaven, or hashamaim, is also used for the sky....no remission of working that the entire earth was flooded.
Having read the OT and NT in Hebrew there are times I feel I must post on the translations. It seems most important when individuals insist on putting themselves superior to others in such endeavor. I am not. I put fodrward what is in the Word as understood bby the Holy Spirit first and formost. My personal linguistic studies have no bearing on the level of my salvation nor does it on others. None of the apostles were learned yet they know more than any doctorate of what man has deemed theology. What a title! Theology, the study of theos, the study of our Maker...that is a joke.
We allo must endeavor to understand what He has freely given usn never to attempt to say we know Him so well as to write on "theology," if it were not so sad, I would laugh indeed.
Here above in bold it says "upon the earth," al haeretz. The Bible says here the waters prevailed upon the uearth under all the heavens, not some of the heavens. The word heaven, or hashamaim, is also used for the sky....no remission of working that the entire earth was flooded.
Having read the OT and NT in Hebrew there are times I feel I must post on the translations. It seems most important when individuals insist on putting themselves superior to others in such endeavor. I am not. I put fodrward what is in the Word as understood bby the Holy Spirit first and formost. My personal linguistic studies have no bearing on the level of my salvation nor does it on others. None of the apostles were learned yet they know more than any doctorate of what man has deemed theology. What a title! Theology, the study of theos, the study of our Maker...that is a joke.
We allo must endeavor to understand what He has freely given usn never to attempt to say we know Him so well as to write on "theology," if it were not so sad, I would laugh indeed.
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It is a FACT that the whole earth was NOT flooded at the time of NOAH'S flood. Why are you having trouble understanding that? Perhaps you need to study history, science and biology a little bit more. The Bible says to study to show yourself approved. When God has given us abundant overwhelming evidence then we need to look at what He is wanting us to know.
Also if you have a scripture then give us the reference. Don't expect us to try and find it for you. You have not give us ANY references. IF you want to have a Bible study then tell us the scripture you are wanting to study with us. It looks like your making this stuff up by trying to quote from memory instead of actually looking the reference up. The main point here seems to be the word ALL or KOL in the Hebrew. You seem to feel you have a scripture that says all of the Earth was flooded during Noah's flood. So give us what you have so we can all study this passage.
Also if you have a scripture then give us the reference. Don't expect us to try and find it for you. You have not give us ANY references. IF you want to have a Bible study then tell us the scripture you are wanting to study with us. It looks like your making this stuff up by trying to quote from memory instead of actually looking the reference up. The main point here seems to be the word ALL or KOL in the Hebrew. You seem to feel you have a scripture that says all of the Earth was flooded during Noah's flood. So give us what you have so we can all study this passage.
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Let's see. I have studied linguistics, geology, and I am well enough versed in pshychology and astrophysices to have beenable to told my own in conversation with doctors of, that is phd's, astrophysiccs and psychology. All of these credentials are of no effect when discussing the learning by the Holy Spirit.
I have devised a theory or two based on my faith in God on the universe and its make-up proven tobe viable theories twenty-five years after the conception. Again, not worth a hill of beans when dealing with the gift of faith and believing God.
There is no consistent evidence tha there was never a global flood. Actually there are theories apart from faith that say the earth was once covered with water wich came from outside its origin, but again, it is just one scientific theory.
Do not assum about others, it is arrogant and ignorant, a very volatile and dangerous combination shared.
I have devised a theory or two based on my faith in God on the universe and its make-up proven tobe viable theories twenty-five years after the conception. Again, not worth a hill of beans when dealing with the gift of faith and believing God.
There is no consistent evidence tha there was never a global flood. Actually there are theories apart from faith that say the earth was once covered with water wich came from outside its origin, but again, it is just one scientific theory.
Do not assum about others, it is arrogant and ignorant, a very volatile and dangerous combination shared.
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Let me guess, the whole earth does not really mean the whole earth. It was a local flood like a tsunami.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Genesis 8:But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Genesis 8:But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
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I doubt that the fallen angels became flesh.... but I can be wrong
I do not see any indication that the "sons of God" are angels. It looks like they are the Godly descendants of Adam and Eve. They are the sons of God because in Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". The breath of life here in the Hebrew is "neshamah" נִשְׁמַ֣ת In Genesis 1:24 the word living is "Chay" חַי.
My translation also say erets
But if you want to play this game then lets do it. If the flood was a worldwide flood how do you handle the life on the 10,000 islands in the Philippines? Did Noah go to all the Islands in the Pacific and pick up all the animals and then take them back to where he got them after the flood? What about the Kangaroo? Did they swim to the middle east to be saved by Noah, only to swim back to Australia after the flood? It is absurd to think that Noah's flood was a worldwide flood because NONE of the physical evidence supports that.
Bible interpretation - hermeneutics requires each and every generation to discover the Bible new for themselves and their generation. We can not look at the conclusion that past generations have arrived at because they had less evidence to examine and study. We have a lot more given to us. To whom much is given much is expected. You can not let your grandfather explain his understanding of the Bible. You have to discover truth for yourself. Truth needs to be fresh and new for every generation. I can not teach you the truth. You have to discover the truth for yourself.