Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
- Thread starter UnitedWithChrist
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Godliness is a mystery- means what God does is a mystery:
Ecc 3:10I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet a no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
But God Himself is not a mystery:
Acts 17:
24“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ b As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ c
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.
Q. How is God a mystery if He is working hard for us to know Him?
Ecc 3:10I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet a no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
But God Himself is not a mystery:
Acts 17:
24“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ b As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ c
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.
Q. How is God a mystery if He is working hard for us to know Him?
Bojack, if you do your research concerning the semetic languages, but do note my understanding is extremely limited and I can only go by the research material available to me, but from the research I have done, Allah is the Arabic word for God. In Aramaic it is Elahh, and in Hebrew I have come across El Eloah and Elohim which in our English bibles we have the word God (in the case of Elohim you could have God/gods depending on the context). In our English language we generally refer to God as The Supreme Being (depending on context). Other languages have their own words to refer to The Supreme Being.
UnitedWithChrist, if you are saying There is One God, but at the same time you are saying The Father = God, The Son = God, The Holy Spirit = God, then by your reasoning who died on the cross? In more than one place in the bible it is mentioned God is Immortal, and the last time I checked, the meaning of immortal means not subject to death. So can someone explain to me how a Immortal Being, not subject to death, be killed?
UnitedWithChrist, if you are saying There is One God, but at the same time you are saying The Father = God, The Son = God, The Holy Spirit = God, then by your reasoning who died on the cross? In more than one place in the bible it is mentioned God is Immortal, and the last time I checked, the meaning of immortal means not subject to death. So can someone explain to me how a Immortal Being, not subject to death, be killed?
-
1
- Show all
Jesus said forgive them Father they know not what they do .. this was about the 6th hr and the whole earth become dark until about the 9th.. Jesus body died and Jesus breathed His last and our sins caused His sinless Spirit to be separated from His Father . Jesus death was both physical and spiritual .. His body lay in the tomb 3 days His Spirit never ceased to exist nor was He guilty of sin except by His association with us , what He was manifested in the flesh for, His mission .. The Father could not do that apparently since Adam got kicked out, but Adam could be maintained in hope until God in flesh Jesus could and did restore .. Jesus was not guilty but willingly tasted death and hell for us, for our sake , our sin not His . I'm sorry you can't fathom it , it is more than I could take when I was on a 7 day fast and I only caught a glimpse of it during a revelation ''how big God is'' .. God is big, way, way off our charts big .. We are given an even playing field concerning free will choice , things hidden in plain sight.. You make your own choice and live with it .. There was none born of women greater than John the Baptist yet Jesus as the Lamb of God was more than enough to atone for his and all sin .. Jesus was not born of woman except to manifest in the flesh as son of David and every much as a 100% man but sinless .. You stop seeking, God stops revealing .. Jesus is God come in the flesh , keep your drivel to yourself devil boy and I don't say that like I think of myself as anything, I'm a skunk who deserves beatings and received a few ..
I'm so glad that Jesus had a good childhood in a normal loving family with a rich Jewish heritage and I appreciate Mary Magdalene who worshipped Jesus in thanksgiving and love for washing Jesus feet with her tears and drying them with her hair for Jesus sake and hers ..
I'm so glad that Jesus had a good childhood in a normal loving family with a rich Jewish heritage and I appreciate Mary Magdalene who worshipped Jesus in thanksgiving and love for washing Jesus feet with her tears and drying them with her hair for Jesus sake and hers ..
You can throw all the ambiguous verses you like, but at the end of the day, Jesus admitted he has a God. This is a clear direct statement. But you trinitarians continuously refuse to accept the direct explicit statements Jesus made.
It is you trinitarians who go against what Jesus said. Going by the evidence, Jesus himself admits he has a God.
And by the way, if you think you can use the verse in John 20.28 where Thomas says "My Lord and my God" to prove Jesus is God, let us use the same line of reasoning in the following situation, what if a parent who has a newborn child, child is sitting down and falls of the chair, and the parent rushes to the child and happens to say "My God My God" does that mean the parent was addressing her child as God? Of course not.
Jesus admitted he has a God. Why can you not accept this? In John 20.17, What part of " I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" is so difficult to comprehend?
How can Jesus be God when Jesus himself admitted he has a God? This is the part that you guys are not accepting. Jesus admitted he has a God.
It is you trinitarians who go against what Jesus said. Going by the evidence, Jesus himself admits he has a God.
And by the way, if you think you can use the verse in John 20.28 where Thomas says "My Lord and my God" to prove Jesus is God, let us use the same line of reasoning in the following situation, what if a parent who has a newborn child, child is sitting down and falls of the chair, and the parent rushes to the child and happens to say "My God My God" does that mean the parent was addressing her child as God? Of course not.
Jesus admitted he has a God. Why can you not accept this? In John 20.17, What part of " I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" is so difficult to comprehend?
How can Jesus be God when Jesus himself admitted he has a God? This is the part that you guys are not accepting. Jesus admitted he has a God.
-
1
- Show all
So you're saying Thomas was taking the Lord's name in vain instead of recognizing Jesus..
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Christ died on the cross. He has a dual nature, being both truly God and truly man. When Christ died, who is YHVH, YHVH didn't die, as God is unchangeable and immortal, but Jesus the man died.
There are mysteries involving the Incarnation, but Scripture is clear in teaching that Jesus is God and he is glorified man.
There are mysteries involving the Incarnation, but Scripture is clear in teaching that Jesus is God and he is glorified man.
-
1
- Show all
Tradition says that both Peter and Paul died in Rome. Paul by beheading, and Peter by upside down crucifixion.
By the way, since this guy mentions this topic, there is a myth by conspiracy theorists that is being inferred here.
These guys think that Simon Magus of Acts 8 is the real first pope. They believe that Simon Magus somehow got confused with Simon Peter.
The folks who claim this are many, including the founder of the Sabbatarian cult I belonged to. It was also taught by Michael Servetus, an anti-Trinitarian heretic.
In their mind, Simon Magus basically started the Roman Catholic Church, which continued in one continuous heretical line from the apostolic age to the current age. It is totally bogus. The true church had five bishops, in five major areas. The Roman bishop eventually claimed ecclesiastical superiority over time.
The RC Church is wrong in its' claims, because they ignore this evolution of the Roman Catholic Church. So is the claim of conspiracy theorists who claim Simon Magus started the Roman Catholic Church. This claim is based on legends by heretics with vivid imaginations.
I wouldn't be surprised if Alexander Hislop's book Two Babylons talks about Simon Magus, as it is the same type of hogwash he specialized in. And, tons of cults claim the same things
By the way, since this guy mentions this topic, there is a myth by conspiracy theorists that is being inferred here.
These guys think that Simon Magus of Acts 8 is the real first pope. They believe that Simon Magus somehow got confused with Simon Peter.
The folks who claim this are many, including the founder of the Sabbatarian cult I belonged to. It was also taught by Michael Servetus, an anti-Trinitarian heretic.
In their mind, Simon Magus basically started the Roman Catholic Church, which continued in one continuous heretical line from the apostolic age to the current age. It is totally bogus. The true church had five bishops, in five major areas. The Roman bishop eventually claimed ecclesiastical superiority over time.
The RC Church is wrong in its' claims, because they ignore this evolution of the Roman Catholic Church. So is the claim of conspiracy theorists who claim Simon Magus started the Roman Catholic Church. This claim is based on legends by heretics with vivid imaginations.
I wouldn't be surprised if Alexander Hislop's book Two Babylons talks about Simon Magus, as it is the same type of hogwash he specialized in. And, tons of cults claim the same things