Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

[Noose]

It only means that Gods Word is from the everlasting to the everlasting , not us , we are subject to creation and a beginning of time .. Now, we, our spirit/soul are a part of eternity past the End time ..

I don't understand you.

What does reconcile mean? Christ reconciles you back to God, doesn't it mean He restores you?

 

[bojack]

I don't understand you.

What does reconcile mean? Christ reconciles you back to God, doesn't it mean He restores you?

Yes, He restores us who choose Him from the fall, a two edged sword .. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

 

[Noose]

Yes, He restores us who choose Him from the fall, a two edged sword .. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Doesn't that mean you were once part of the divine before separation? what exactly are you being restored to?

 

[bojack]

Doesn't that mean you were once part of the divine before separation? what exactly are you being restored to?

Restored to what Adam was created for.. Adam was created that way until he sinned and become like a god to know good and evil .. He bent over and God kicked him and her out , the ball has been in his and in our court now and since ..

 

[Noose]

Restored to what Adam was created for.. Adam was created that way until he sinned and become like a god to know good and evil .. He bent over and God kicked him and her out , the ball has been in his and in our court now and since ..

Why you and not Adam? Does Adam's fall mean you also fell?

My point is, we were all with God even before the creation of Adam, there's a spirit in us, the spirit of God from which we get our being. Same thing with Jesus.

 

[bojack]

Why you and not Adam?

God had to come Himself to restore me and Adam ..

 

[posthuman]

But we can measure Jesus in the same manner as you and me right?!, now, isn't He God according to you?

how do we intend to measure a man?

All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,​

but the Lord weighs the spirits.
(Proverbs 16:2)​

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where do we get an alignment to do that? how do we do it without affecting it by observation? can we do it at all, legitimately?

 

[Noose]

how do we intend to measure a man?

All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,​

but the Lord weighs the spirits. ​

(Proverbs 16:2)​

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where do we get an alignment to do that? how do we do it without affecting it by observation? can we do it at all, legitimately?

A man is just one person and one being- that's the measure

Trinity tries to say Jesus was not one person and one being and if He is, is He God? If He is God, then God is just one person and one being. You can not have it both ways.

 

[posthuman]

A man is just one person and one being- that's the measure

Trinity tries to say Jesus was not one person and one being and if He is, is He God? If He is God, then God is just one person and one being. You can not have it both ways.

God is one.

there are 12 tribes of Israel.

Joseph is a tribe ((Genesis 49:22))
Joseph's two sons are also tribes ((Joshua 14:4)):

Manasseh is a tribe ((Numbers 13:11))​

Ephraim is a tribe ((Psalm 78:67)) ​

three, which are one.
14 tribes named in the scripture - but there are only 12 tribes.

the LORD is God. the Father is God.
the Spirit of the LORD is God. the Holy Ghost is God.
The Angel of the LORD is God. Christ is God.
God is one God, and there is no other God but one, even He.

 

[Noose]

God is one.

there are 12 tribes of Israel.

Joseph is a tribe ((Genesis 49:22))
Joseph's two sons are also tribes ((Joshua 14:4)):

Manasseh is a tribe ((Numbers 13:11))​

Ephraim is a tribe ((Psalm 78:67)) ​

three, which are one.
14 tribes named in the scripture - but there are only 12 tribes.

the LORD is God. the Father is God.
the Spirit of the LORD is God. the Holy Ghost is God.
The Angel of the LORD is God. Christ is God.
God is one God, and there is no other God but one, even He.

This does not prove Trinity in any way. Tribe here would mean 'son of', so the twelve tribes comes from the twelve sons of Israel(Jacob). If he had other sons apart from these then they are also tribes but these twelve are the ones Jacob blessed (Gen 49)

 

[posthuman]

This does not prove Trinity in any way. Tribe here would mean 'son of', so the twelve tribes comes from the twelve sons of Israel(Jacob). If he had other sons apart from these then they are also tribes but these twelve are the ones Jacob blessed (Gen 49)

there are 14 tribes listed in scripture.
there are always 12 tribes. never less, never more.

this is to teach you how to count.
this is why God did this.
three are one.

1 are 3 -- think you are able to measure? write me the metric?

 

[bojack]

This does not prove Trinity in any way. Tribe here would mean 'son of', so the twelve tribes comes from the twelve sons of Israel(Jacob). If he had other sons apart from these then they are also tribes but these twelve are the ones Jacob blessed (Gen 49)

Just curious, do you believe there is an eternal conscious torment in hell ?

 

[Noose]

Just curious, do you believe there is an eternal conscious torment in hell ?

Yes, why?

 

[Noose]

there are 14 tribes listed in scripture.

No, there are 100s of tribes, means nothing.

there are always 12 tribes. never less, never more.

Contradicting your earlier statement- do we have 14 or 12?

this is to teach you how to count.
this is why God did this.
three are one.

1 are 3 -- think you are able to measure? write me the metric?

There are no 14 tribes in 12 and God is not 3 in 1.

The measurement is simple:

Jesus = 1 person/ 1 being

If Jesus = God

Then

God = 1 person/1 being

If
God = 3 persons/1 being

And
Jesus is not 3 Persons/1 being

Then

Jesus is not God

Choose one, you can't have it both ways, it is an impossibility.

 

[Noose]

Why do you give a description if you don't mean it?

If God is 3 persons in 1 being, then only those who meet this description can be referred to as God and Jesus surely doesn't meet this description. So something is definitely wrong with your description of God or your measure of Jesus or both.

 

[bojack]

Yes, why?

Most folks that argues Jesus is not God also agues there is no hell ..

 

[bojack]

Why do you give a description if you don't mean it?

If God is 3 persons in 1 being, then only those who meet this description can be referred to as God and Jesus surely doesn't meet this description. So something is definitely wrong with your description of God or your measure of Jesus or both.

Do you think the Pharisees understood what Son of God meant to want to murder him ? All Jesus had to say was ''of course I'm not God'' .. Pilot was trying to let Jesus go, did Jesus ever deny who He is ?
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Noose]

Most folks that argues Jesus is not God also agues there is no hell ..

Well, my ideas about hell might not be what many believe, i believe hell is shackles of darkness. and this is what is being described as eternal fire, torment e.t.c.

 

[Noose]

Do you think the Pharisees understood what Son of God meant to want to murder him ? All Jesus had to say was ''of course I'm not God'' .. Pilot was trying to let Jesus go, did Jesus ever deny who He is ?
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Son of God is a title for those that belong to God including Adam at some point. Whether Pharisees understood this or not, is not the point.
My question is; How do you describe God as being 3 in 1 and then say Jesus is God, does Jesus meet this description?

 

[posthuman]

There are no 14 tribes in 12

list the 12 tribes.