Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
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because you know, i think they knew the scripture better than you or i -- and they had no confusion whatsoever about the fact that Jesus was boldly claiming Deity. this is exactly the thing they crucified Him for: purporting Himself = God.
they - like you - thought His message blasphemy, because they did not believe. this is exactly what He died for, m8. for our sin. for our unbelief.
they - like you - thought His message blasphemy, because they did not believe. this is exactly what He died for, m8. for our sin. for our unbelief.
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For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father
(Ephesians 2:18)
no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son,
and to whom the Son will reveal
(Luke 10:22)
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them
(John 6:44)
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we only say persons because our language lacks the vocabulary.
God is One. three entities are spoken of us God. two are easy to show; the third is more deeply hidden in inference.
there's only one conclusion, and that conclusion defies human logic, which is anthropomorphic in vanity. "tri-unity" is more accurate than "trinity" but again, we as human lack the appropriate vocabulary.
i'm sad to find people called Christians attacking doctrine as tho they are Moslem, accusing us of polytheism. His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge - how long will we simple ones love simplicity?
God is One. three entities are spoken of us God. two are easy to show; the third is more deeply hidden in inference.
there's only one conclusion, and that conclusion defies human logic, which is anthropomorphic in vanity. "tri-unity" is more accurate than "trinity" but again, we as human lack the appropriate vocabulary.
i'm sad to find people called Christians attacking doctrine as tho they are Moslem, accusing us of polytheism. His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge - how long will we simple ones love simplicity?
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and He was manifest in the flesh. without controversy, great is the mystery
it's not 'more spiritual' to deny the body exists, IMO. i think it's less.
but seems to me that showing the Spirit is God isn't as clear in scripture as the Father and the Son - so i guess you have an advantage there
it's not 'more spiritual' to deny the body exists, IMO. i think it's less.
but seems to me that showing the Spirit is God isn't as clear in scripture as the Father and the Son - so i guess you have an advantage there
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you just have the wrong measure, because your'e not considering the proper space the question is framed in.
for example: a hypersphere of order 4 has 4 equal sides, each a 4 dimensional sphere. the sides are not measured in 2d or 3d. they are not Cartesian lengths; a simple Cartesian measure like the L2 norm is nonsense in this context.
don't presume to measure God like He's a human in time and space like you & me
one can mathematically construct a form that is a circle in one measure and a square in another.
for example: a hypersphere of order 4 has 4 equal sides, each a 4 dimensional sphere. the sides are not measured in 2d or 3d. they are not Cartesian lengths; a simple Cartesian measure like the L2 norm is nonsense in this context.
don't presume to measure God like He's a human in time and space like you & me
one can mathematically construct a form that is a circle in one measure and a square in another.
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and He was manifest in the flesh. without controversy, great is the mystery
it's not 'more spiritual' to deny the body exists, IMO. i think it's less.
but seems to me that showing the Spirit is God isn't as clear in scripture as the Father and the Son - so i guess you have an advantage there
it's not 'more spiritual' to deny the body exists, IMO. i think it's less.
but seems to me that showing the Spirit is God isn't as clear in scripture as the Father and the Son - so i guess you have an advantage there
It is the Trinitarians that attack others.
Oneness of God has nothing to do with quantity and so the threeness is a misapplication, an attempt to reconcile what would seem an impossibility. Oneness of God applies to His attributes which means 'He alone'.
John 14/15/16/17, Jesus Himself explains this relationship between the Father/son/Holy spirit and it is nothing to do with Tri unity of persons.
Oneness of God has nothing to do with quantity and so the threeness is a misapplication, an attempt to reconcile what would seem an impossibility. Oneness of God applies to His attributes which means 'He alone'.
John 14/15/16/17, Jesus Himself explains this relationship between the Father/son/Holy spirit and it is nothing to do with Tri unity of persons.
can we measure Him like we are measured??
we are body, soul and spirit. that's 3, and we are one.
who can measure Him? "to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge" ((Ephesians 3:19)) -- how do we measure even His love? it is beyond knowing, yet something to be known. this isn't a regular old 2-d plane we're working in. this is infinite-dimensional vector space, and simultaneously a singularity. you can't just do 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 here. that's making untenable assumptions about the algebraic structure.
we are body, soul and spirit. that's 3, and we are one.
who can measure Him? "to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge" ((Ephesians 3:19)) -- how do we measure even His love? it is beyond knowing, yet something to be known. this isn't a regular old 2-d plane we're working in. this is infinite-dimensional vector space, and simultaneously a singularity. you can't just do 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 here. that's making untenable assumptions about the algebraic structure.
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you contradicted yourself.
you said God only creates by manifesting, which would lead to not only every burning bush being God, but every bush, every tree, every speck of dust. but He was not in the earthquake or the gale - He was in the still small voice, yet not every small voice is Him.
your 'creation = manifesting' idea is wrong.
you said God only creates by manifesting, which would lead to not only every burning bush being God, but every bush, every tree, every speck of dust. but He was not in the earthquake or the gale - He was in the still small voice, yet not every small voice is Him.
your 'creation = manifesting' idea is wrong.
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