Doctrines that Destroy Lives

[Dave-L]

Let me make this clear, everyone wants a piece of the land of Israel, but God gave the land to the Jews and it will always be their land.

“The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.” (Leviticus 25:23)

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16)

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)

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“This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:8)

“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

The whole pacifist thing that you're pushing is absurd.
If you see a woman being gang raped to death you are not supposed to just tip your hat and walk on by, this is the love of evil, not love of righteousness, and certainly not love of the neighbor.
And I know you will say this is hyperbole but it is not. These Muslim terrorist groups absolutely do this regularly in areas that they take over.
Jesus calls us to peaceably settle our personal and public disputes, but not to stand by and allow violent evils to go unabated especially when those violent evils occur against the defenseless.

find any believer using violence in the NT. Peter tried but Jesus rebuked him for it.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

There is scripture after scripture about defending the defenseless protecting the weak and standing up for the oppressed.

 

[Dave-L]

There is scripture after scripture about defending the defenseless protecting the weak and standing up for the oppressed.

where?

 

[oyster67]

The whole pacifist thing that you're pushing is absurd.
If you see a woman being gang raped to death you are not supposed to just tip your hat and walk on by, this is the love of evil, not love of righteousness, and certainly not love of the neighbor.
And I know you will say this is hyperbole but it is not. These Muslim terrorist groups absolutely do this regularly in areas that they take over.
Jesus calls us to peaceably settle our personal and public disputes, but not to stand by and allow violent evils to go unabated especially when those violent evils occur against the defenseless.

Proverbs 3
3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

 

[oyster67]

Romans 12
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Proverbs 3
3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Psalm 82:3-4 ESV
Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”

Proverbs 31:8-9 ESV
Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Isaiah 1:17 ESV
Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.

Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work.

 

[Dan_473]

Many teach today’s ethnic Jews rightfully and unconditionally own Palestine. And this belief leads in part to terrorism and the wars now afflicting the world.

It's an interesting subject.

When the Israelites first moved into the land of Canaan, God told them to kill all the Canaanites.

When they moved back in after the Babylonian exile, there were small skirmishes but not large national conflicts. I think that's because the entire area was controlled by the Persian empire.

Fast forward to today. What are Jews who wish to move to Israel supposed to do with the non-Jews who are already living there?

 

[oyster67]

Psalm 82:3-4 ESV
Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”

Proverbs 31:8-9 ESV
Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Isaiah 1:17 ESV
Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.

Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work.

Romans 12 is what pertains to you and I...
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Dave-L]

It's an interesting subject.

When the Israelites first moved into the land of Canaan, God told them to kill all the Canaanites.

When they moved back in after the Babylonian exile, there were small skirmishes but not large national conflicts. I think that's because the entire area was controlled by the Persian empire.

Fast forward to today. What are Jews who wish to move to Israel supposed to do with the non-Jews who are already living there?

Join them and submit to the laws of the land just like in any civilized nation.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Romans 12 is what pertains to you and I...
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

That says evil for evil. I guess you don't know what evil is. That is about not seeking vengeance, it is not about defending the defenseless, or protecting the weak, or standing up for the oppressed. Context matters.

 

[oyster67]

That says evil for evil. I guess you don't know what evil is. That is about not seeking vengeance, it is not about defending the defenseless, or protecting the weak, or standing up for the oppressed. Context matters.

God does not need your help taking care of His business. He gave you a role to play. Accept it and conform to it. Stop playing God and humble yourself. Jesus came to give you an example.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Fine. We will go back 1000 years to the promised place where we shall rule and reign with Jesus from;

Revelation
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You don't think you will be physically ruling Israel to the exclusion of The Lord's sworn promises concerning it do you ?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

nummmm

I'm think this would be better named 'one person's viewpoint of doctrines etc'

what happened to cessationism?

did you forget it?

I see you do have all the rest of your gripes included with a few bonus features added

I bet you are just overwhelmed with people shaking your hand at your discoveries

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I base this on the Sermon on the Mount and Jesus' prohibiting violence for any reason for Christians. All of the OP shows false believers taking part in violence.

oooooo

so twisted it hurts

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Men who go into the Scriptures trying to interpret the word of God will not only distort the word of God, but create doctrines that destroys lives. This is why we should rely on the Spirit of God to give us an understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke.

can we get an AMEN!!!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I worship a Jew...Jesus. Anti-semitic means all in the Middle East descending from Shem. I'm hardy anti-semitic.

this falls as flat as a pancake that is a pancake on both sides

if you understood what Christ being born into the Jewish race meant, you would understand why they are so persecuted

has something to do with the devil BTW

 

[7seasrekeyed]

But why follow tares when you can easily recognize them?

I know one when I see one. is that what you are saying?

haha

me too

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The whole pacifist thing that you're pushing is absurd.
If you see a woman being gang raped to death you are not supposed to just tip your hat and walk on by, this is the love of evil, not love of righteousness, and certainly not love of the neighbor.
And I know you will say this is hyperbole but it is not. These Muslim terrorist groups absolutely do this regularly in areas that they take over.
Jesus calls us to peaceably settle our personal and public disputes, but not to stand by and allow violent evils to go unabated especially when those violent evils occur against the defenseless.

believe it or not, we have had a few people (whose feet don't touch the ground when they walk) in this forum in days gone by, who actually said they would not interfere and one even said he would not interfere in rape if it was his girlfriend (I pray she read it and changed boyfriends)

if Jesus was actually the pacifist some preach, it seems to me He would have stepped back from the woman thrown down in front of Him by the scibes and pharisees.

He would have watched the stoning, said 'tsk tsk. you guys are so violent' and walked off

hmmmm...and then we have the incident with the overturned tables and the whip...just who as that Jesus impostor?

I'm sorry, but way too many people are off their rocker and cannot understand scripture for beans and those are usually the ones that think they are teachers

 

[7seasrekeyed]

find any believer using violence in the NT. Peter tried but Jesus rebuked him for it.

oh good grief

Jesus in Revelation gets pretty ticked off

don't you have a Bible with Revelation at the end? just turn to the end

but actually, if you read Jesus at all, He does get physically angry...does not sin...but He does

I hope you never call out for help during a physical assault...but God's mercy is so great you might make it out

Jesus rebuked Peter because it was His time to die

do you really think God in the OT is not the same one in the New?