Doctrines that Destroy Lives

[Dave-L]

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question on an earlier thread regarding this.
What LAND is promised to us as Christian believers?

Abraham saw Canaan as a symbol for Heaven. Jesus is God and the land belongs to him, but it also means the world belongs to him where the Church (Israel) resides. The Land of Israel (Jesus) is Heaven and the whole world.

 

[Dave-L]

This anti-Semitic, extremist trope is directly adopted from the world. Are you actually blaming the presence of Jews in their ancient homeland for the terror acts committed against them?

Do you realise the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Islamic Sate and the Extreme Islamic Shiite Regime of Iran share this view? Why would any Christian use the regional term "Palestine" for the nation of Israel?
If you really feel this way you are aligning your view directly with the antichrist spirit and the enemies of YHVH.
I can't think of any 'doctrine' that destroys lives in a more direct fashion. With bombs and violent attacks.

Any believer with this POV should reread the book of Easter and note what happened to Haman. The world is aligning against Israel, because of The God who established it. It's very foolish for a Christian to take on that mantle of hatred.

I worship a Jew...Jesus. Anti-semitic means all in the Middle East descending from Shem. I'm hardy anti-semitic.

 

[Dan_473]

But how do we find the Tares among the wheat? Jesus says the Tares or false Christians cause others to sin and do evil (Matthew 13:41).

Hi Dave-L,

Matthew 13: 41. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity.

Well, my understanding of this verse is that it's the Angels who do the separating.

 

[oyster67]

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question on an earlier thread regarding this.
What LAND is promised to us as Christian believers?

The place where the New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven

Revelation 21
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The place where the New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven

Revelation 21
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

That's the New Jerusalem not land.

God specifies LAND numerous times. The return of Jesus is to earth before that in Rev 19:11
You're referring to the period AFTER the 1000 year reign of Messiah on earth.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I worship a Jew...Jesus. Anti-semitic means all in the Middle East descending from Shem. I'm hardy anti-semitic.

I'll rephrase it then if you want to play semantic games.
You exhibit an irrational hatred of ethnic Jews.

 

[oyster67]

Well, my understanding of this verse is that it's the Angels who do the separating.

...And it is we who contend for the Faith.

Jude 1
1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Dave-L]

Hi Dave-L,

Matthew 13: 41. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity.

Well, my understanding of this verse is that it's the Angels who do the separating.

But why follow tares when you can easily recognize them?

 

[Dave-L]

I'll rephrase it then if you want to play semantic games.
You exhibit an irrational hatred of ethnic Jews.

I love all people. But I would need to lie to say other than I already have.

 

[Dan_473]

But why follow tares when you can easily recognize them?

That's a good point!
I think it's a good idea not to follow humans, but to follow Christ.

1 Corinthians 1: 12. Now I mean this, that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," "I follow Cephas," and, "I follow Christ." 13. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?

 

[Dave-L]

That's a good point!
I think it's a good idea not to follow humans, but to follow Christ.

1 Corinthians 1: 12. Now I mean this, that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," "I follow Cephas," and, "I follow Christ." 13. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Skip Church? Isolate yourself?

 

[Dan_473]

Skip Church? Isolate yourself?

No, I think you can go to church and follow Christ at the same time.

 

[oyster67]

Skip Church? Isolate yourself?

We are the Church. We are the Bride.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Let me make this clear, everyone wants a piece of the land of Israel, but God gave the land to the Jews and it will always be their land.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I love all people. But I would need to lie to say other than I already have.

And you have said you hold to a doctrine that agrees with terror groups and hard-line Islamic regimes.

 

[oyster67]

You're referring to the period AFTER the 1000 year reign of Messiah on earth.

Fine. We will go back 1000 years to the promised place where we shall rule and reign with Jesus from;

Revelation
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[oyster67]

Let me make this clear, everyone wants a piece of the land of Israel, but God gave the land to the Jews and it will always be their land.

The land that many Jews will inherit is the land down under.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Let me make this clear, everyone wants a piece of the land of Israel, but God gave the land to the Jews and it will always be their land.

It's a major theme running right through The Bible from Genesis to Revelation. At least until God creates a new heavens & earth.
It takes years of religious training to miss it. It's a reality in current world affairs as well.

 

[Dave-L]

And you have said you hold to a doctrine that agrees with terror groups and hard-line Islamic regimes.

Why try to make me look as bad as you can. When I say all semites come from Shem and mostly Abraham?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The whole pacifist thing that you're pushing is absurd.
If you see a woman being gang raped to death you are not supposed to just tip your hat and walk on by, this is the love of evil, not love of righteousness, and certainly not love of the neighbor.
And I know you will say this is hyperbole but it is not. These Muslim terrorist groups absolutely do this regularly in areas that they take over.
Jesus calls us to peaceably settle our personal and public disputes, but not to stand by and allow violent evils to go unabated especially when those violent evils occur against the defenseless.