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I think after he fell. . . signaled by the words; "It is finished" He was bound from entering the presence of God with angels that did not leave their first place of habitation . The bottomless pit binds the spirit of error with a chain of truth as it is written . It is unlocked or loosened by the key (the gospel) As it loosens the born again believer it protects us from the pit master.
The prophecy of the "Seventy Weeks" states specifically that *this specific length of time* is:
--"determined upon thy [Daniel's] people, AND UPON thy [Daniel's] HOLY CITY"
...and the precise length-of-time falls [ends / is concluded] on Palm Sunday, the day that Jesus DID the Zech9:9 thing (re: "Jerusalem") and SAID the Lk19:41-44 thing (also re: "the city" i.e. Jerusalem; His wording here being parallel to Matt22:7 re: the "city," and Lk21:23,20 also re: the "Jerusalem [compassed with armies]" which followed on from there, meaning, later on like the prophecy itself also covers [as well as v.24b "and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles UNTIL..." (Rev11:2 also
)]).
and aside from the actual wording of THIS prophecy (providing its starting and ending points), and also the wording stating that the time period is "DETERMINED UPON" thy holy CITY... as far as I understand it, the Jordan River is quite some distance from "the city / Jerusalem". Note that no one is denying that Jesus is indeed God's beloved Son in whom He is well pleased... but we are pointing out the precision of the prophecy, both in regard to its starting and ending points (time-wise), as well as "in relation to what [exactly]," and then also the NT fulfillments which also happen to involve "the city / Jerusalem" just as the prophecy itself states.
--"determined upon thy [Daniel's] people, AND UPON thy [Daniel's] HOLY CITY"
...and the precise length-of-time falls [ends / is concluded] on Palm Sunday, the day that Jesus DID the Zech9:9 thing (re: "Jerusalem") and SAID the Lk19:41-44 thing (also re: "the city" i.e. Jerusalem; His wording here being parallel to Matt22:7 re: the "city," and Lk21:23,20 also re: the "Jerusalem [compassed with armies]" which followed on from there, meaning, later on like the prophecy itself also covers [as well as v.24b "and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles UNTIL..." (Rev11:2 also
)]).and aside from the actual wording of THIS prophecy (providing its starting and ending points), and also the wording stating that the time period is "DETERMINED UPON" thy holy CITY... as far as I understand it, the Jordan River is quite some distance from "the city / Jerusalem". Note that no one is denying that Jesus is indeed God's beloved Son in whom He is well pleased... but we are pointing out the precision of the prophecy, both in regard to its starting and ending points (time-wise), as well as "in relation to what [exactly]," and then also the NT fulfillments which also happen to involve "the city / Jerusalem" just as the prophecy itself states.
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Where we differ from the OP (and I might add, Dave-L ) is that we believe the "69 Weeks" total concluded on Palm Sunday, AFTER which He was "cut off" (like Jer11:19b) "and have nothing [/or, 'but not for himself']"; and that NEXT in the SEQUENCE of the passage is the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, before the verse 27 thing comes next after that in the SEQUENCE of events (which also aligns with other parts of Scripture)
[meaning, the 70th Week is far-future... and has not yet taken place. I've made a number of posts showing the "connections" on that aspect... (for one, the connection between Matt24:29-31's "GREAT trumpet" and that of Isaiah 27:12-13, regarding "Israel" being "gathered ONE by ONE to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM")]
) is that we believe the "69 Weeks" total concluded on Palm Sunday, AFTER which He was "cut off" (like Jer11:19b) "and have nothing [/or, 'but not for himself']"; and that NEXT in the SEQUENCE of the passage is the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, before the verse 27 thing comes next after that in the SEQUENCE of events (which also aligns with other parts of Scripture)[meaning, the 70th Week is far-future... and has not yet taken place. I've made a number of posts showing the "connections" on that aspect... (for one, the connection between Matt24:29-31's "GREAT trumpet" and that of Isaiah 27:12-13, regarding "Israel" being "gathered ONE by ONE to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM")]
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The man of sin was revealed when Jesus "the little horn" with the voice of many waters said; "it is finished". The spirit of error fell from heaven. Satan is the spirit (singular) of the antichrist .He needs a body like in the garden or like that of Peter to deceive the nations . There are a legion of antichrists (plural) that follow another gospel, another testament like the book of Mormon which is other than the gospel of Christ as it is written. Many oral tradition of men like the book of Morrom has made it to no effect.
While I'm talking about Jeremiah 11:19 ^ , I guess I will add here an excerpt from a post I made some time back, comparing the phrase in Jer11:19 ("cut off from the land of the living") to other passages where this is found:
[quoting excerpt from my old post]
Notice the phrase "the land of the living" in Jer11:19 ( in that post above ^ )... Which phrase is found 7x in Ezekiel (notice the CONTEXT of the first one) -
Ezekiel 26:20 -
"When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;"
[see context from vv.2-3 - "2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: 3 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up."]
Ezekiel 32:23 -
"Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:24 -
"There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit."
Ezekiel 32:25 -
"They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."
Ezekiel 32:26 -
"There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:27 -
"And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:32 -
"For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God."
[end quoting my posts; This is enough ON THIS SUBJECT to ponder (under Point #1) for the time being]
[end quoting that post]
[quoting excerpt from my old post]
Notice the phrase "the land of the living" in Jer11:19 ( in that post above ^ )... Which phrase is found 7x in Ezekiel (notice the CONTEXT of the first one) -
Ezekiel 26:20 -
"When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;"
[see context from vv.2-3 - "2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: 3 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up."]
Ezekiel 32:23 -
"Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:24 -
"There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit."
Ezekiel 32:25 -
"They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."
Ezekiel 32:26 -
"There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:27 -
"And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living."
Ezekiel 32:32 -
"For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God."
[end quoting my posts; This is enough ON THIS SUBJECT to ponder (under Point #1) for the time being]
[end quoting that post]
LOL Whose rails. Yours ?
I would ask. When does the description of the little horn begin and end ? I say it begins and ends in verses9- 12. The little horn did these things and was very successful
Out of one of them (a little horn) came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them.(fallen angels) It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground...( Or and was very successfu). Daniel 9-12
I would ask. When does the description of the little horn begin and end ? I say it begins and ends in verses9- 12. The little horn did these things and was very successful
Out of one of them (a little horn) came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them.(fallen angels) It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground...( Or and was very successfu). Daniel 9-12
Okay, so we look to the text for our answer.
I'd said:
--"FROM ______"
--"UNTO the Messiah the prince"
[is a certain length of time]...
so we want to examine the text to see "what" fills in the blank I left empty here ^ ...
and the text itself states,
"FROM the going forth of the command to restore [H7725] and build [H1129] Jerusalem" [or, restore build / rebuild]
...so we look to find THAT (in Scripture) as its STARTING point (the STARTING point that kicks off the time-amount "UNTO [terminating at] the Messiah the prince")
I'd said:
--"FROM ______"
--"UNTO the Messiah the prince"
[is a certain length of time]...
so we want to examine the text to see "what" fills in the blank I left empty here ^ ...
and the text itself states,
"FROM the going forth of the command to restore [H7725] and build [H1129] Jerusalem" [or, restore build / rebuild]
...so we look to find THAT (in Scripture) as its STARTING point (the STARTING point that kicks off the time-amount "UNTO [terminating at] the Messiah the prince")