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Here's how I'm seeing it (and have posted abundantly on it 
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Add in verse 8 [so Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11] and what we see written here is "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (which I believe are parallel, time-wise [and description-wise], to the SEALS of Rev6).
Rev1:1 says (basically) that the "FUTURE" aspects of that Book (1:19c / 4:1 / 1:1 [also 7:3] <--compare the wording in these verses) "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN (not adverbs)]". I believe this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period (parallel with a cpl other places where this phrase is used) refers to the specific, limited, future time-period commonly called the "7-yr trib" (which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" [I believe the "was found" word in 5:4 shows that that section follows a "searching judgment," for example, as I've gone into in past posts... as well as Rev5:9 [per the manuscript evidence] saying "US"... etc [other reasons I've shown]).
"The Day of the Lord" (which INCLUDES "judgments as well as the "BLESSINGS" that follow the judgments) is a time period of MUCH DURATION; and 1Th5:2-3 says that it ARRIVES at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (the FIRST one Jesus listed in His Olivet Discourse [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ('a certain one' bringing deception)], with MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that follow on from that INITIAL one; and the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" [which, if you recall I said they are parallel the SEALS] would be SEAL #1; and this then would also be parallel to the "whose COMING/ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia" of 2Th2:9a's "man of sin" at the START of the "7-yr period" [parallel Dan9:27a(26)'s wording], where both passages [2Th2 and Dan9:27] cover the ENTIRE 7-yr trib, not merely 3.5 yrs of it).
I could go into more detail, but most people find it too tedious to follow, so I will quit here (I'm sure I've already lost a lot of readers by this point )
[p.s. would appreciate, if you would, your giving a hint of feedback, like providing a blurb about what point it is you think I've made (re: your Q), so I can tell if it "got through" (even if you disagree ). Thanks]
)...Add in verse 8 [so Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11] and what we see written here is "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (which I believe are parallel, time-wise [and description-wise], to the SEALS of Rev6).
Rev1:1 says (basically) that the "FUTURE" aspects of that Book (1:19c / 4:1 / 1:1 [also 7:3] <--compare the wording in these verses) "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN (not adverbs)]". I believe this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period (parallel with a cpl other places where this phrase is used) refers to the specific, limited, future time-period commonly called the "7-yr trib" (which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" [I believe the "was found" word in 5:4 shows that that section follows a "searching judgment," for example, as I've gone into in past posts... as well as Rev5:9 [per the manuscript evidence] saying "US"... etc [other reasons I've shown]).
"The Day of the Lord" (which INCLUDES "judgments as well as the "BLESSINGS" that follow the judgments) is a time period of MUCH DURATION; and 1Th5:2-3 says that it ARRIVES at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (the FIRST one Jesus listed in His Olivet Discourse [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ('a certain one' bringing deception)], with MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that follow on from that INITIAL one; and the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" [which, if you recall I said they are parallel the SEALS] would be SEAL #1; and this then would also be parallel to the "whose COMING/ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia" of 2Th2:9a's "man of sin" at the START of the "7-yr period" [parallel Dan9:27a(26)'s wording], where both passages [2Th2 and Dan9:27] cover the ENTIRE 7-yr trib, not merely 3.5 yrs of it).
I could go into more detail, but most people find it too tedious to follow, so I will quit here (I'm sure I've already lost a lot of readers by this point
)[p.s. would appreciate, if you would, your giving a hint of feedback, like providing a blurb about what point it is you think I've made (re: your Q), so I can tell if it "got through" (even if you disagree
). Thanks]
Just do it in really small chunks, it's easier for us to follow.
Also i the p.s. intended for me?
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Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about? I mean think about, that's exactly what happened, they committed the greatest abomination that could ever be committed, they killed their Messiah. And the Messiah obliterated them for it in AD 70.
Here is some cool thoughts from a friend of mine.
Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince" because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Anti-Christ! 'He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Anti-Christ. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490 year period.
Four decrees that have to do with rebuilding Jerusalem:
536 B.C. (Ez. 1:1-4)
519 B.C. (Ez. 6:1-12)
458 B.C. (Ez. 7:7)
445-6 B.C. (Neh. 2:1-8) Christ is 33 1/2 years old from this date!
NOTE: Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the church has been caught away to heaven and the Anti-Christ signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "70 weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven year period is know as the Tribulation or the Time of Jacob's Trouble. It is described in Rev. 6-19.
Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince" because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Anti-Christ! 'He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Anti-Christ. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490 year period.
Four decrees that have to do with rebuilding Jerusalem:
536 B.C. (Ez. 1:1-4)
519 B.C. (Ez. 6:1-12)
458 B.C. (Ez. 7:7)
445-6 B.C. (Neh. 2:1-8) Christ is 33 1/2 years old from this date!
NOTE: Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the church has been caught away to heaven and the Anti-Christ signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "70 weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven year period is know as the Tribulation or the Time of Jacob's Trouble. It is described in Rev. 6-19.
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Yes TDW you have to pare it down a little bit, it's hard to read.
Just do it in really small chunks, it's easier for us to follow.
Also i the p.s. intended for me?
Just do it in really small chunks, it's easier for us to follow.
Also i the p.s. intended for me?
I'm endeavoring to point out the parallel passages that then provide us with the "chronology" (the "what thing happens WHEN in relation to what other things"
)So I started by saying that Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11 ("the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]") are parallel (or you could say, identical) with the SEALS of Rev6.
Are you tracking with me so far (even if you disagree... I'm wondering if you're tracking with my first point, thus far)?
.....Not the wrath described in revelation....
no antichrist has been revealed
no second beast
what do you think of revelation 13....14...19....
honestly you lost me
we agree those verses are before the great tribulation like the world has never seen
we disagree this has taken place
then you also skipped right into Gods wrath....
no antichrist has been revealed
no second beast
what do you think of revelation 13....14...19....
honestly you lost me
we agree those verses are before the great tribulation like the world has never seen
we disagree this has taken place
then you also skipped right into Gods wrath....
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@John146
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Are those events second coming events?
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Are those events second coming events?
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Question 1: When shall these things be? The destruction of the temple.
Question 2: What shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?
Certainly the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. Many believe that all of Chapter 24 than can be relegated to the past and has no future application. If that is the case (vs. 7,14,29,30,40,41, etc.) have to be spiritualized because they found no historical fulfillment.
It appears the Lord is answering both questions at the same time.
Question 1: When shall these things be? The destruction of the temple.
Question 2: What shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?
Certainly the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. Many believe that all of Chapter 24 than can be relegated to the past and has no future application. If that is the case (vs. 7,14,29,30,40,41, etc.) have to be spiritualized because they found no historical fulfillment.
It appears the Lord is answering both questions at the same time.
I would agree except for when it began, when Christ said "it is finished". The time of reformation had come a tribulation like never before until that time this time in Matthew 24:21and never again .
A religion losing its temporal face. Which was to turn?
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
The graves were open as the propmised glory that would follow after our suffering savior before hand. We look back the beginning of the great tribulation. Still performing its work as the letter of the law . . the school master .
1 Peter1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
A religion losing its temporal face. Which was to turn?
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
The graves were open as the propmised glory that would follow after our suffering savior before hand. We look back the beginning of the great tribulation. Still performing its work as the letter of the law . . the school master .
1 Peter1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.