Not By Works
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'Have fallen away' is in the aorist tense, indicative mood.
They ARE, in fact, fallen away from grace.
That's what the aorist tense, indicative mood means.
The saved Galatians fell away from Christ, yet osas insists that 1 John 2:19 says if anyone does that they were never really believers to begin with. Apparently, 1 John 2:19 is being misapplied by osas and nobody from the osas camp seems to care.
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Neh_9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Deu_32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2Sa_22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
Mat_7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Luk_8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
I take that as a 'yea' in response to the question I asked.
@ oneofhis -- feel free to answer the question
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Psa_127:1 A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Speaking of old members.... does anyone know what happened to brother @TruthTalk?
I don't really go back and forth with people who jump from post to post.
Do you still believe if God could say He NEVER knew someone, that someone was His child at some point who will now burn?
You are still in error if you believe those He NEVER knew who point to their works for justification were anything other than goats and tares. Separate already REGARDLESS of their "works of righteousness".
Yeah, I'll start a thread called "End Times Timeline".
Faith has substance. Faith has evidence. We are justified by the faith of Christ. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? Look no further to His perfect obedience even unto death, the death of the cross. Christ's faith is imputed to the believer in the gospel.
Your individual faith is how you live out your life according to God's word. The evidence of your faith is through your obedience.
All believers have the faith of Christ. But all believers do not live out their individual faith the same way. It has to do with our standing in Christ vs our walk with Christ.
Be ready for a lot of varying opinions. Many on here get heated when this is brought up.
I know, and that's a shame. I really just wanted to carry on our conversation but here is not the place.
Oh definitely. God resists the proud.
Those who don't see they are sick have no need for a physician.
personally i find the discussion super interesting
even if i dont say much i like hearing what other people believe is being said
we all know what is written is truth... but its definitely less simple than the saving gospel to understand
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i probably wouldnt add much but if someone posted a timeline discussion thread id peek
Yeah, the discussion here moves too fast for me to know where to add anything.