Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

[KJV1611]

Nope this is not true, we do not lump all verse

you sir again are bearing false witness.

and teaching newbie her it’s ok todo the same

shame on you

Ok most people do but not you lol.

 

[KJV1611]

Nope this is not true, we do not lump all verse

you sir again are bearing false witness.

and teaching newbie her it’s ok todo the same

shame on you

Maybe you could give an example of verses you attribute to the true Israel of God.

 

[garee]

Says who?

Says verse one chapter one of Revelation.

Learn how to understand the signified.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Key = gospel
Chain = the gospel that binds
Bottom less pit = only released by the key.
serpent= the spirit of lies
thousand years = timeless a unknown, un revealed No need to know.
headless souls = unseen spirits

. God does not number people or days and then commandment us to walk by faith the unseen eternal .No man can serve two Masters. (1)That which the eyes see and (2) That which the Holy Spirit reveals.

We understand according to the unseen understanding the understanding of faith..

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[wolfwint]

Says verse one chapter one of Revelation.

Learn how to understand the signified.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Key = gospel
Chain = the gospel that binds
Bottom less pit = only released by the key.
serpent= the spirit of lies
thousand years = timeless a unknown, un revealed No need to know.
headless souls = unseen spirits

. God does not number people or days and then commandment us to walk by faith the unseen eternal .No man can serve two Masters. (1)That which the eyes see and (2) That which the Holy Spirit reveals.

We understand according to the unseen understanding the understanding of faith..

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Nope, vers 1 says nothing about symbols. This is eisegese. Interpreting something in what is not there.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No man. In rev. 7 people from every of the 12
tribes are mentioned.

The total number of the elect are divided into two groups. Esk 1:16 has reference to these two divisions. "as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel". The outer, larger wheel, being the regenerated children that make up the "invisible" church, and the smaller wheel in the middle being the "visible" church. The visible church is made up of an hundred and forty and four thousand" of all the tribes of the children of Jacob/Israel, Rev 7:4.

Matt 7:13-14, Also divides the elect into two different groups. the wide gate being the invisible church, and the strait gate being the visible church of the 144 thousand.

 

[wolfwint]

The total number of the elect are divided into two groups. Esk 1:16 has reference to these two divisions. "as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel". The outer, larger wheel, being the regenerated children that make up the "invisible" church, and the smaller wheel in the middle being the "visible" church. The visible church is made up of an hundred and forty and four thousand" of all the tribes of the children of Jacob/Israel, Rev 7:4.

Matt 7:13-14, Also divides the elect into two different groups. the wide gate being the invisible church, and the strait gate being the visible church of the 144 thousand.

Strange idea. This is man wisedom, but not what the bible teaches.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok most people do but not you lol.

Most people do not

that’s a stereotype which is not true

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe you could give an example of verses you attribute to the true Israel of God.

How about romans 9

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Says verse one chapter one of Revelation.

Learn how to understand the signified.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Key = gospel
Chain = the gospel that binds
Bottom less pit = only released by the key.
serpent= the spirit of lies
thousand years = timeless a unknown, un revealed No need to know.
headless souls = unseen spirits

. God does not number people or days and then commandment us to walk by faith the unseen eternal .No man can serve two Masters. (1)That which the eyes see and (2) That which the Holy Spirit reveals.

We understand according to the unseen understanding the understanding of faith..

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

So you used corinthians to show where revelations has the ”word” symbols.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Strange idea. This is man wisedom, but not what the bible teaches.

Wow that’s out there

 

[KJV1611]

How about romans 9

Romans 9 talks about both Israels, what part of Romans applies to the true Israel of God?

And which part applies to the flesh descendants of Israel that hated God, killed his prophets, made merchandise of his word and are the enemies of the gospel?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So the church are only 144000 people? And who then is mention in rev. 7, 9 ff.
They arent the same as in rev. 7,4-8.

Those in Rev 7:9, include all of God's elect, Both the invisible and visible church, and Rev 7:4 are the 144 thousand that make up the visible church, which have been revealed the truths of the word, and will always be a witness of the truth.

People don't realize that there are two Israel's and they lump all bible verses about Israel into the flesh descendants.

Yea! I'm glad to see someone else on this forum understands the significance of Jacob's name being changed to Israel.

 

[wolfwint]

Those in Rev 7:9, include all of God's elect, Both the invisible and visible church, and Rev 7:4 are the 144 thousand that make up the visible church, which have been revealed the truths of the word, and will always be a witness of the truth.

Yea! I'm glad to see someone else on this forum understands the significance of Jacob's name being changed to Israel.

Well, we will see. I cant share your view and way to interprete the word of God.

 

[CS1]

Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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Many find fault with those who claim Christendom is biblical Israel. Saying God did not replace Israel with the Church. This is true but it shows a misunderstanding of Israel's true identity.

“Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet [Christ]. You must obey him in everything.. Every person who does not obey that prophet will be destroyed and thus removed from the people [Israel].’” Ac 3:22–23

The church did not replace Israel. The Church is Israel. God removed the unbelievers from Israel and grafted believing gentiles into their place. Romans 11:17.

And, for the sake of the fathers, God reattaches the broken off but only through faith in Christ. For this Paul uses himself as an example, Romans 11:1–5. And as we preach the gospel to all nations until the end of the world Matthew 28:20 all Israel, believing Jew and gentile will be saved Romans 11:26.

YOu must also remember we are told NOT to rejoice that they have been removed, why? Because Israel can return. Romans 11:23-27

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Jesus said go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel because He was under the law and came to fulfill what needed to be fulfilled. After the resurrection Jesus gave the great commission to go into all the nations. Things change in the Bible all the time

So God had to adjust his plan? Okay. I don't agree but each to his own

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 9 talks about both Israels, what part of Romans applies to the true Israel of God?

And which part applies to the flesh descendants of Israel that hated God, killed his prophets, made merchandise of his word and are the enemies of the gospel?

You asked what I saw as spiritual I showed you, I have no desire to get it to a calvinist debate

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So God had to adjust his plan? Okay. I don't agree but each to his own

It was his plan all along. It was even prophesied that he would come to Israel first. Then it will go out, and a people who were not his own would be made his own,

 

[Dave-L]

YOu must also remember we are told NOT to rejoice that they have been removed, why? Because Israel can return. Romans 11:23-27

Only those who accept Christ. Why would I rejoice over their hatred of Christ?

 

[Dave-L]

Can you say the bible vers please?

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

 

[Dave-L]

I dont deny that there are used symbols in revealation. But where it is written that all revealation is symbol? And all numbers are symbol.

Do you think you will see red dragons, green horses, a physical chain binding a spiritual serpent? 1000 years that gives away the time of the end only the Father knows? etc. etc?