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'Made righteous' means 'justified'.
Abraham was 'made righteous' (justified) when he believed God in Genesis 15:6.
Abraham was 'shown to be righteous' (also called 'justified') when he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22:10.
A man is justified, both, by faith apart from works, and by works.
"24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." - James 2:24
Lol, 11th hour red x'd this before it was even done posting.
Your contention is with the Bible, not me.
But feel free to show us James is wrong.
Abraham was 'made righteous' (justified) when he believed God in Genesis 15:6.
Abraham was 'shown to be righteous' (also called 'justified') when he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22:10.
A man is justified, both, by faith apart from works, and by works.
"24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." - James 2:24
Lol, 11th hour red x'd this before it was even done posting.
Your contention is with the Bible, not me.
But feel free to show us James is wrong.
Abraham is the example, and yet he was justified before God and not man. No man was up there to see, but God.
Genesis 22
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Genesis 22
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Before the faith of Christ came, man had faith, but It was his own faith. Man lived by his own faith. But after the faith of Christ has come, the believer lives by the faith of Christ.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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Here’s how I see it.
Christ was in the church in the wilderness so the faith of Christ was in them. The verse below doesn’t promise the faith of Christ, it says the promise (the one made to Abraham) would be given to us THROUGH the faith of Christ.
In other words, through the faithfulness of Christ during his earthly life, the promises made to Abraham would be given to those who believe on him.
Gal 3:22 (KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Christ was in the church in the wilderness so the faith of Christ was in them. The verse below doesn’t promise the faith of Christ, it says the promise (the one made to Abraham) would be given to us THROUGH the faith of Christ.
In other words, through the faithfulness of Christ during his earthly life, the promises made to Abraham would be given to those who believe on him.
Gal 3:22 (KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
