The Times of the Gentiles

[eternally-gratefull]

So if you agree with eg, how is my post off topic?

Lol. Wow. Just wow

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You nullify your own statement as Dino stated in that you say you can both be deceived and see at the same time.

See. It’s not just me Dave

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I only refer to Jesus bringing the Kingdom with him thereby preaching it. And saying only the born again can see it.

And your using it against us
wake up man. Fess up to what you did

this says plainly since we can’t see it (in your view) we Are not born again

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Heavenly Jerusalem isn't heaven it's the city of the living God, it's the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn (Jesus Christ).

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

There is punishment for those who won't go there, those who won't go wont get rain, no rain, no salvation. Heavenly Jerusalem came and replaced earthly Jerusalem when Christ came.

Nope heavenly Jerusalem will
Come down out of heaven and all who are perfected in Christ will enjoy its beauty

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said it was symbolic, I said it was the heavenly version, the REAL version and not an earthly shadow.

Yet the prophesy spoke of a physical
Event

There was no rain in seen or before the flood. Yet the people had plenty of crops and did Not starve
Rain was needed after the flood and will be needed until this earth is destroyed

Thus it can’t be heaven

 

[Dino246]

The nation of Israel has 70 weeks to make an end of sins, bring in everlasting righteousness, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

69 weeks has passed with one week to go, 7 years, which is the time God causes all people who love not the truth to follow the beast, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord ans Savior.

Which Jesus told the disciples that the Father would restore the kingdom on earth to Israel in the future.

Which God said He will make a full end of all Gentile nations but not make a full end of Israel but they will be punished in part.

Which God said He will bring the whole house of Jacob back to Israel and leave none of them in the nations anymore and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them again which they will always be in the truth from that point forward.

Which has to be a future prophesy for Israel as a nation is not in the truth now.

Israel is blinded in part which they acknowledge the Old Testament for the majority but not the New, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in when salvation is no longer available to them, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Since Israel is still blinded in part the fulness of the Gentiles has not come in and Gentiles still have salvation available to them.

God warns the saints of the new age movement and the time will come the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel and none of them will be in the nations anymore.

The Gentile governments will come together and try to establish peace on earth and the 7 years period will begin.

For the first three and one half years repentance and salvation is still available to the world.

The nations failed at obtaining peace for the world and they turn to the New Age Christ as the solution and when the world follows the beast and takes his mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will turn Israel as a nation to the truth and restore the kingdom on earth to them and all Israel shall be saved.

The fulness of the Gentiles could of not come in yet for Israel is still blinded in part and the Gentiles still have salvation available to them.

If this was a reply to my question, it would have been helpful to quote me.

It appears to me that you have forcibly inserted an entire eschatological system into a tiny window of misinterpretation. Respectfully, I suggest that you read Daniel 9 more carefully.

 

[iamsoandso]

Did he really? Let's review. Dave-L said this:
Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. The Book of John chapter 3:3
The Saved, those Redeemed in Christ, are regenerated by God into a new creation. And we are indwelt by Holy Spirit God.
Jesus said the kingdom of Heaven/God is in the midst of you. The Book of Luke chapter 17
ἐντός (entos)
Strong: G1787

GK: G1955

improper prep., gen., inside, within, Lk. 17:21; τὸ ἐντός, the interior, inside, Mt. 23:26

Your remarks and others concerning Dave-L's observation above is proof of his remarks. You can be saved, born again, and see the kingdom of God when you claim Christ. However, when you are unaware that kingdom is not of this world but is within you, you missed seeing that truth of it. Seek ye a physical kingdom, like monarchs across our globe have and you shall miss it. It is not earthly. We are the kingdom of God, the church, because we are indwelt by the King of Heaven, and His kingdom is alive within us. That's how you miss seeing it. Not knowing that is missing seeing where the kingdom is.

It's best to read from the beginning of the thread to see what I said about the Kingdom of God then in post #330 you will see the difference between the "Kingdom of God" and the "kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of his Christ,and he shall reign for ever and ever.". https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11&version=KJV

Which then is the issue in that he is in heaven until https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/3-21.htm he returns and then the kingdoms of the earth will be the kingdoms of our Lord. So those on earth will at the sound of the seventh trump be his on earth as it is in heaven. The one has always existed the other comes on this earth at that time.

 

[Lightskin]

Only if you agree with him.........

He knows whether I do or not and so does everyone on CC who knows me well.

 

[KJV1611]

Nope heavenly Jerusalem will
Come down out of heaven and all who are perfected in Christ will enjoy its beauty

(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:10) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Heavenly Jerusalem is the Lamb's wife.
Is Jesus marrying a literal city or is he marrying the body of Christ?

 

[Whispered]

It's best to read from the beginning of the thread to see what I said about the Kingdom of God then in post #330 you will see the difference between the "Kingdom of God" and the "kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of his Christ,and he shall reign for ever and ever.". https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11&version=KJV

Which then is the issue in that he is in heaven until https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/3-21.htm he returns and then the kingdoms of the earth will be the kingdoms of our Lord. So those on earth will at the sound of the seventh trump be his on earth as it is in heaven. The one has always existed the other comes on this earth at that time.

I was supporting what Dave-L said. It isn't necessary to read from the beginning so as to understand your remarks to him. Nor should anyone be expected to read 13 pages back in order to get you. Especially since you judged, "friendly" this in Dave-L's remarks just two pages back. "Only the born again can see the kingdom according to Jesus. So I don't take any too seriously who cannot see it." I stand by that.

 

[Whispered]

Yet the prophesy spoke of a physical
Event

There was no rain in seen or before the flood. Yet the people had plenty of crops and did Not starve
Rain was needed after the flood and will be needed until this earth is destroyed

Thus it can’t be heaven

All that exists is God's kingdom because God is the creator of all that exists.
There is only a kingdom when there is a king. The kingdom of Heaven/God, are synonymous. Jesus is the kingdom of Heaven/God. Jesus is God, Emmanuel=God with us.
"Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand". The Book of Matthew chapter 3. True. Because Jesus was in the world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:10) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Heavenly Jerusalem is the Lamb's wife.
Is Jesus marrying a literal city or is he marrying the body of Christ?

You make a symbol out of everything,

that is not the bride, that’s where the bride resides.

 

[KJV1611]

You make a symbol out of everything,

that is not the bride, that’s where the bride resides.

(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:10) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The verses say, I'll show you the bride, the Lamb's wife. He carried me away and he showed me that great city. The great city is the bride, her name is Heavenly Jerusalem, she is the MOTHER of us all.

(Gal 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:10) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The verses say, I'll show you the bride, the Lamb's wife. He carried me away and he showed me that great city. The great city is the bride, her name is Heavenly Jerusalem, she is the MOTHER of us all.

(Gal 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

if I say I am going to show you a group of people, and show you a city

i pray you do not think the city is the people

The people are in the city

the city is also said to hold a temple

I guess that symbolic too

 

[Whispered]

All kingdoms are under Satan's authority.

In the Book of John chapter 14 Jesus referred to Satan, or Ha Satan, as ruler of the world. However, his power over us, sin equals death, was taken away when Jesus resurrected from the dead having taken the sins of the world upon Himself on the cross. That whosoever believes, shall not perish in their sins but shall have immortal life.
If you watched the movie, Passion of the Christ, at the end when Jesus died on the cross the Satan is seen in his circle screaming. That's scripture. He knew his power over those who are in their sins was over. Great scene for those that knew the scriptural meaning behind it.

 

[Whispered]

Once again you refuse to look at scripture given.

how do expect people to,see your point if you can’t even tell them what the passage says and all you do is make strawman remarks

Perhaps the point they're making is, you should know the scripture just by the description of its message/words.

 

[KJV1611]

You make a symbol out of everything,

that is not the bride, that’s where the bride resides.

if I say I am going to show you a group of people, and show you a city

i pray you do not think the city is the people

The people are in the city

the city is also said to hold a temple

I guess that symbolic too

Rev 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The holy city is prepared as a bride, there’s only one reason a city is wearing wedding clothes... she’s not a literal city.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Rev 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The holy city is prepared as a bride, there’s only one reason a city is wearing wedding clothes... she’s not a literal city.

Right on 16.

Paul tells the Ephesians we are the city and the dwelling of God:

(Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.)

This is what happens when certain scripture(s) don't fit in with the dispensational theologies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rev 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The holy city is prepared as a bride, there’s only one reason a city is wearing wedding clothes... she’s not a literal city.

yawn

ok whatever

again you make a symbol of everything

cities are prepaired all the time for people, or events

it says the city is prepaired as a bride.. not the bride, so your still wrong!

I am still waiting for you to tell me what type of rain God punishes people who do not come to jerusalem is

 

[Kolistus]

There was no rain in seen or before the flood. Yet the people had plenty of crops and did Not starve

How did that work and why did rain start to occur regularly?