The Times of the Gentiles

[eternally-gratefull]

I can't argue as if I know for 100% this is the way it is. I'm just trying to put the puzzle pieces together that I KNOW about...


But for sure, you don't believe that the Land Promises are the Kingdom of God?

No

because the Land belonged to abraham even though abraham never recieved it, he even had to purchase a plot of land to be buried in it, his own land given to him by God

same with his son and grandson, and their kids and grandkids for 400 years

same land only 2 men who left Egypt were allowed to enter

also, while in this land, twice in its history because of sin, God did what he promised he would do,

Lev 26:
27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You[g] shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.

does this not sound like exactly what happened in 70 ad. I have been studying the Temple Mount issue, and they have been going over the historical record of eyewitnesses after the destruction, and what we see is even a few hundred years later how astonished people were at the destruction of the city it was no longer even there, in fact, the old city of david has just been found in the last 100 years. Before then it was laid wast. The people today are still scattered. Still mocked and scorned, just like Jesus promised

Is this what happens in the kingdom of a God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The whole world lies in wickedness. Let's be honest.

True, but when you single out a nation, it looks like hate, it is called discrimination,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are the Temple of God in the New Covenant. We are a holy nation. And dwell in heavenly Jerusalem above. But again, only the born again can see and take part in this.

I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not true

we are to go into the world and spread the good news to the world

I am not in heavenly jerusalem, that is a future event,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can't argue as if I know for 100% this is the way it is. I'm just trying to put the puzzle pieces together that I KNOW about...


But for sure, you don't believe that the Land Promises are the Kingdom of God?

By the way dave

this is an example of how one should discuss the word. Polite, humble, not Demanding or pushing,

 

[Elihoenai]

Your thinking the times of the gentiles that Jesus spoke of i.e. the beast of Daniel and the length of weeks(time) and that they would be in captivity under them ended sometime in the past consider this...

If Rome was in it's final stages of the time it was to hold Judah/Israel in captivity then the Apostle Paul would not have said to them in Romans 13 to still see it/Rome as ordained by God https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13&version=KJV

If the fourth beast was in it's final state of time of rule over Daniels people that it was stated to rule over them or exist in the world then Revelation 17 would not have said that five were,one is. and that the 7th was coming(future) or that the 10 kings have received no kingdom as yet nor would it have said that the 8th was going to ascend out of the pit(future) it would have stated that all those heads and kings were present and at their end. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+17&version=KJV

In Romans 13 the Apostle said to see them as ordained by God, in Ephesians 6:5 he said to obey your earthly masters. In Colossians 3:22 again he says to obey your earthly masters. In 1 Peter 2:18-20 Peter says to obey your earthly masters.

Now this if you consider can only mean that in ad66-70 the Apostles last written testimony in regards to the point in time was exactly where the angel said to John/us in Revelation 17. That is at that time of the rule of domination of the fourth beast of Daniel the 6th head was present and the rest was to unfold in the future.

Now the mistake then is that they did not believe Jesus nor did they pay attention to the Apostles in regards to this issue of whether or not the rule of the 4th beast had yet completely unfolded in it's fulfillment of time. Instead you see they revolted and did not obey God and obey their master(the 4th beast) that was spoken to them.

Now if the image or the mark was present tense in the day when the Apostles stated that the Christians were to obey the masters over them(Rome at that time) then they would then have been saying it is correct to pay dues https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13-7.htm that is to use the beast mark to pay that with(see Rev. 13:17) https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13-17.htm

But then it is Scriptural'y clear to see that the Apostles were saying that the 6th head was present in their day and the 4th beast was to continue until the times of the gentile rule was complete.

Romans 13:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


If the Authorities are working 24hrs each day to make you Evil and do Evil things, should you subject yourself to this Power? We must render unto Caeser the things that be Caesers in relation to Taxes.

 

[Kolistus]

We are the Temple of God in the New Covenant. We are a holy nation. And dwell in heavenly Jerusalem above. But again, only the born again can see and take part in this.

Wish you could explain what Zechariah 14:17 that eternally-gratefull quoted means.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

We are the Temple of God in the New Covenant.

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post, but here ^ , (I've made posts on this before-->) note that Paul (when speaking of us/the Church which is His body) never uses the "definite article ['the']" when he refers to us as "temple"



[consider also my posts I've made on the "parable" in Heb9:8-9a "which is a parable for the present time" where speaking of "the first tabernacle yet having A STANDING [stasis]" (the one in the wilderness, per the "furnishings" spoken of in v.4)… secondary point ]

 

[Dave-L]

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post, but here ^ , (I've made posts on this before-->) note that Paul (when speaking of us/the Church which is His body) never uses the "definite article ['the']" when he refers to us as "temple"



[consider also my posts I've made on the "parable" in Heb9:8-9a "which is a parable for the present time" where speaking of "the first tabernacle yet having A STANDING [stasis]" (the one in the wilderness, per the "furnishings" spoken of in v.4)… secondary point ]

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” 1 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

Wish you could explain what Zechariah 14:17 that eternally-gratefull quoted means.

You cannot see it in the New Testament as long as you expect a physical kingdom. If you see a spiritual Kingdom through Jesus' eyes, you can see it happening now. If you are born again, you can see it if you look for it's effects.

 

[Dave-L]

I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not true

we are to go into the world and spread the good news to the world

I am not in heavenly jerusalem, that is a future event,

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

True, but when you single out a nation, it looks like hate, it is called discrimination,

All kingdoms are under Satan's authority.

 

[Kolistus]

You cannot see it in the New Testament as long as you expect a physical kingdom. If you see a spiritual Kingdom through Jesus' eyes, you can see it happening now. If you are born again, you can see it if you look for it's effects.

People are going year to year now to Jerusalem or no Rain?

 

[Dave-L]

People are going year to year now to Jerusalem or no Rain?

You can't understand the symbolism in this until you understand Jesus' teaching on the kingdom. The letter (literal) kills. The Spirit gives life.

 

[KJV1611]

People are going year to year now to Jerusalem or no Rain?

People are coming to heavenly Jerusalem year to year, day to day . That’s where the living water is.


Heb 12:22 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

 

[iamsoandso]

Romans 13:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


If the Authorities are working 24hrs each day to make you Evil and do Evil things, should you subject yourself to this Power? We must render unto Caeser the things that be Caesers in relation to Taxes.

I'm not sure what point your stating. In Romans 13:3 it states that the rulers are not a terror to good works not that they are working to make me evil it ends in stating to do that which is good and we will have praise of the same.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” 1 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV 1900)

I don't believe that's what the verse states in the Greek.

Your quote has the word "temple" used 3x in this verse.

But the third one ^ is not actually in the text (in the Greek).

See the italics (on that third one) in this verse here: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/3/17/s_1065017

which means it is supplied by those editing it (not present there in the Greek).



So... and I know it's debated... I see the preceding verse (when indeed speaking of us) does not have the definite article with "temple" (that's us); and this next verse (v.17) has it with the TWO mentions of "the temple," but where the final phrase says "WHICH YE ARE," I believe this refers back to "is holy [/set apart], which ye are" (not speaking of "ye are THE temple... I believe that [in v.17a] is speaking of Christ Himself and the heavenly things ["THE temple"] which is also "holy/set apart"... as we are it is saying [and we are "temple" (NO definite article!) in the preceding verse]… IOW, this text in v.17 I do not believe is expressing that we are "THE temple"... we are "holy/set apart" as He is [and/or the heavenly things are, which I believe THIS verse (alone) is speaking of when using the definite article with it])

 

[Dave-L]

I don't believe that's what the verse states in the Greek.

Your quote has the word "temple" used 3x in this verse.

But the third one ^ is not actually in the text (in the Greek).

See the italics (on that third one) in this verse here: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/3/17/s_1065017

which means it is supplied by those editing it (not present there in the Greek).

So... and I know it's debated... I see the preceding verse (when speaking of us) does not have the definite article with "temple" and this next verse (v.17) has it with the TWO mentions of "the temple," but where the final phrase says "WHICH YE ARE," I believe this refers back to "is holy [/set apart], which ye are" (not speaking of "ye are THE temple... I believe that [in v.17a] is speaking of Christ Himself and the heavenly things ["THE temple"] which is also "holy/set apart"... as we are [and we are "temple" in the preceding verse]… IOW, this text in v.17 I do not believe is expressing that we are "THE temple"... we are "holy/set apart" as He is [and/or the heavenly things are, which I believe THIS verse (alone) is speaking of when using the definite article with it])

What's your point?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV 1900)

I am not in jerusalem, which is what I said,

where did I claim we were not the temple?

please learn to read, it really gets frustrating. It seems all your doing is looking for something to pounce on so you keeping making claims which are not true, because I never said what your claiming

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All kingdoms are under Satan's authority.

So this gives us an excuse to call out one nation and discriminate?

that’s excusing sin, I would be ashamed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You cannot see it in the New Testament as long as you expect a physical kingdom. If you see a spiritual Kingdom through Jesus' eyes, you can see it happening now. If you are born again, you can see it if you look for it's effects.

Once again you refuse to look at scripture given.

how do expect people to,see your point if you can’t even tell them what the passage says and all you do is make strawman remarks