The Times of the Gentiles

[Dino246]

How's your love for others coming along?

This is hypocritical. Deal with your slander of others before you question their integrity.

 

[Dave-L]

This is hypocritical. Deal with your slander of others before you question their integrity.

Where have I ever said an unkind thing in this forum?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Hebrews of Abraham's seed became Israel.

not all of them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess I really hit a nerve, he has resorted to attacks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where have I ever said an unkind thing in this forum?

Whatever,, this is funny

 

[Dave-L]

Whatever,, this is funny

Any proof?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Any proof?

Go read your posts

even if I showed you you would deny

answer our questions.

 

[Dave-L]

Go read your posts

even if I showed you you would deny

answer our questions.

I know what I've said and my motive is always in your best interest.

 

[Kolistus]

So if I disagree with you I am unsaved.

If you are premillennial you are unsaved, is what I got from it. He has been repeating the same thing like a broken record claiming the millennium is a "pharisee doctrine"

How will Jesus feel about that when He returns?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you are premillennial you are unsaved, is what I got from it. He has been repeating the same thing like a broken record claiming the millennium is a "pharisee doctrine"

How will Jesus feel about that when He returns?

I got that when I first came to Christian chat. It died off a lot and they are not hear anymore

But I can smell when it will Come to that. It’s easy to smoke out

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know what I've said and my motive is always in your best interest.

I can say the sane for you

but we both can’t be right can we

 

[Kolistus]

I got that when I first came to Christian chat. It died off a lot and they are not hear anymore

But I can smell when it will Come to that. It’s easy to smoke out

I just see so many dangers in looking for types and shadows and making doctrine out of them when its not explicitly stated by the apostles.

 

[Dino246]

Where have I ever said an unkind thing in this forum?

slander
/ˈslɑːndə/

noun

• 1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation: "he is suing the TV company for slander"

verb

• 1. make false and damaging statements about (someone): "they were accused of slandering the head of state"

"Unkind" doesn't appear in that definition, and frankly, isn't the issue.

 

[Elihoenai]

I don't know where your question leads. So I present my views on what made one a physical Jew or physical member of Israel.

2001 a space odyssey

 

[iamsoandso]

The Times of the Gentiles

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Dave L


Speaking of 70 AD and Jerusalem’s destruction, Jesus says; “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” Luke 21:24 (KJV 1900)

Many believe 1948 and the Jews moving into Palestine signaled an end to the times of the gentiles. But if we backtrack to the beginning of Israel and those traditionally called Jews, they began as gentiles. And became Abraham’s covenant seed through circumcision. In fact, none of Abraham’s covenant seed had his DNA, only Ishmael then.

So it was always circumcision the sign of the covenant and membership in the community that made one a “Jew”, not birth. If any born did not receive circumcision on their eighth day, they cut them off from the group and they remained a gentile. When Abraham excommunicated Ishmael, he became a gentile even though circumcised as his son.

So Jerusalem being trodden down by gentiles means everything you see today. Trodden down by the uncircumcised. When Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, circumcision became obsolete and no longer made one a physical Jew or physical member of Israel. He excommunicated all unbelieving Jews. No longer were they Abraham’s covenant seed but gentiles with Jewish ethnicity.

And when Paul’s generation of before Calvary circumcised Jews died off, nothing remained to separate them from the gentiles. From then on they became gentiles by default.

Only the circumcised in heart, believers like Abraham and Paul remained biblical Israel into whom God grafted believing gentiles.

When do the times of the Gentiles end?

Jesus said: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations [gentiles], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:19–20 (KJV 1900)

Meaning the times of the gentiles including ethnic Jews remain until the end of the world. And from all Paul says “God will save all Israel, defined as believers in Christ.

Your thinking the times of the gentiles that Jesus spoke of i.e. the beast of Daniel and the length of weeks(time) and that they would be in captivity under them ended sometime in the past consider this...

If Rome was in it's final stages of the time it was to hold Judah/Israel in captivity then the Apostle Paul would not have said to them in Romans 13 to still see it/Rome as ordained by God https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13&version=KJV

If the fourth beast was in it's final state of time of rule over Daniels people that it was stated to rule over them or exist in the world then Revelation 17 would not have said that five were,one is. and that the 7th was coming(future) or that the 10 kings have received no kingdom as yet nor would it have said that the 8th was going to ascend out of the pit(future) it would have stated that all those heads and kings were present and at their end. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+17&version=KJV

In Romans 13 the Apostle said to see them as ordained by God, in Ephesians 6:5 he said to obey your earthly masters. In Colossians 3:22 again he says to obey your earthly masters. In 1 Peter 2:18-20 Peter says to obey your earthly masters.

Now this if you consider can only mean that in ad66-70 the Apostles last written testimony in regards to the point in time was exactly where the angel said to John/us in Revelation 17. That is at that time of the rule of domination of the fourth beast of Daniel the 6th head was present and the rest was to unfold in the future.

Now the mistake then is that they did not believe Jesus nor did they pay attention to the Apostles in regards to this issue of whether or not the rule of the 4th beast had yet completely unfolded in it's fulfillment of time. Instead you see they revolted and did not obey God and obey their master(the 4th beast) that was spoken to them.

Now if the image or the mark was present tense in the day when the Apostles stated that the Christians were to obey the masters over them(Rome at that time) then they would then have been saying it is correct to pay dues https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13-7.htm that is to use the beast mark to pay that with(see Rev. 13:17) https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13-17.htm

But then it is Scriptural'y clear to see that the Apostles were saying that the 6th head was present in their day and the 4th beast was to continue until the times of the gentile rule was complete.

 

[Dave-L]

slander
/ˈslɑːndə/

noun

• 1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation: "he is suing the TV company for slander"

verb

• 1. make false and damaging statements about (someone): "they were accused of slandering the head of state"

"Unkind" doesn't appear in that definition, and frankly, isn't the issue.

Where's the proof if you are accusing me of this?

 

[Dave-L]

I can say the sane for you

but we both can’t be right can we

That's why debates happen. If both knew the truth there would be no debate. So when you find yourself in a debate it does more to speak for ignorance than anything else. What I prefer is no debate, but each writing their views and let the reader decide. If you don't agree with me, write your own article and let the reader decide.

 

[Dave-L]

If you are premillennial you are unsaved, is what I got from it. He has been repeating the same thing like a broken record claiming the millennium is a "pharisee doctrine"

How will Jesus feel about that when He returns?

There is a possibility the born again are just deceived. I was for many years until I was able to disprove a physical kingdom from scripture. The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted continually throughout the gospels by teaching a spiritual kingdom instead.

 

[Kolistus]

There is a possibility the born again are just deceived. I was for many years until I was able to disprove a physical kingdom from scripture. The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted continually throughout the gospels by teaching a spiritual kingdom instead.

Jesus says the kingdom comes not with observation, those are the verses you are talking about.

There are other verses in the Bible as well. Jesus says the disciples will be sitting on thrones judgING the tribes of Israel and Revelation 20 speaks about a kingdom. The very gospels recorded a message from an angel saying Jesus will sit on David's throne. Doing what? Ruling over Israel (and the nations)

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus says the kingdom comes not with observation, those are the verses you are talking about.

There are other verses in the Bible as well. Jesus says the disciples will be sitting on thrones judgING the tribes of Israel and Revelation 20 speaks about a kingdom. The very gospels recorded a message from an angel saying Jesus will sit on David's throne. Doing what? Ruling over Israel (and the nations)

He is there now doing exactly that. Jesus IS Israel so the Land of Israel = the whole world. Canaan was a symbol of this.