On this Virus from China

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yes 17, it is very interesting and certainly challenging on a personal level,
and on our world-wide-application -
it challenges our beliefs, our intelligence, our discernment...
 

tanakh

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Living in the good ol' US of A, pal, a few things seem to have alluded your perception.

China is Communist. Communists are responsible for more deaths than all the wars combined. They harvest organs from living prisoners. You think a little quarantining of less than 1% of their population is going to phase them? Communism is not the US. The whole world is not sunshine and lolly pops.
This is a logical fallacy. The No True Scotsman fallacy, in fact. Look it up. It'll do you good. :)
The Spanish flu was a vaccine-induced sickness, probably where this China hoax is headed.
And so? Does this mean we hide under the table at every mention of the word virus? I'm an evidence-based man. When God strikes the Earth with a plague, it's more akin to the black death than the common cold. Also, in the book of Revelation, I believe He marks His own so the plagues don't affect them, but correct me if I'm mistaken on that point.

And Jesus said He who seeks to save His life will lose it. Do you think that even if this were one of the biblical plagues foretold, which I have seen no evidence for, you will be able to hide by banning flights to and from China?

This sounds like evolution. It didn't happen then (ever), and it won't happen now.

The Spanish flu was caused by vaccines. Don't take the vaccine, and you won't die of the Spanish flu. Kinda simple to avoid.
I don't know whether Spanish Flu was caused by Vaccines or not. In any case there isn't any vaccine for this virus. There are desperate steps being taken to produce one.
measures being taken to create one
 

Moses_Young

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you both have agreed that the virus is (dead)=not a living cell'...
how can a (dead) virus infect a 'living-cell'??
it would seem that it is NOT DEAD, as it IS infecting
thousands of people???

just want to understand your analysis...
thanks...
They way viruses are understood is incorrect. To my understanding, a virus has never been able to be isolated homogenously, and the virus injected into a test creature to produce the symptoms associated with the virus. Either a) the "virus" is a mixture of all manner of things (and does produce the symptoms), or b) if homogenously isolated (and verified by electron microscope), cannot produce the symptoms associated with the virus.

The very idea that some (admittedly) non-living cells can be stalking the living as is portrayed in the media story of the corona virus is a crazy idea. That viruses can somehow evolve to get more deadly and virulent - science fiction to rival Charles Darwin's big con-job.

As viruses clearly have some functional design in that they combine with living cells, they are clearly created. Who creates them? No one knows, but I suggest they are created within the bodies of living creatures, possibly even man. They clearly play some sort of biological role, we just don't know what.

Could this mechanism be manipulated by man and used against him as a weapon? I don't doubt. But that some wild(and unalive!) virus out there has somehow evolved and just started killing and infecting us, and now we need the WHO or NWO or vaccines or quarantine to protect us - a laughable idea.
 

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I don't know whether Spanish Flu was caused by Vaccines or not. In any case there isn't any vaccine for this virus. There are desperate steps being taken to produce one.
measures being taken to create one
Ha, ha. One exists already. They're just biding their time to tell you about it, so that people (or governments) are ready to pay a small fortune for a quantity of worthless toxins. I could smell the profit motive in this the first day the media portrayed panic went viral.
 

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you both have agreed that the virus is (dead)=not a living cell'...
how can a (dead) virus infect a 'living-cell'??
it would seem that it is NOT DEAD, as it IS infecting
thousands of people???

just want to understand your analysis...
thanks...
It is based upon the principle which they use to define which cells are living organisms.
These seven precepts or truths are required under the current principle used to define living organisms​
  1. Able to carry out homeostasis
  2. Being composed of one or more cells.
  3. Being able to carry out metabolism(both catabolism and anabolism).
  4. Able to carry out growth.
  5. Able to adapt to their environment.
  6. Respond to stimuli.
  7. Reproduction.
Hope that helps.
 
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you both have agreed that the virus is (dead)=not a living cell'...
how can a (dead) virus infect a 'living-cell'??
it would seem that it is NOT DEAD, as it IS infecting
thousands of people???

just want to understand your analysis...
thanks...
I think "dead" is not really the correct word.

There are in a grey area between living and non living.
 
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I don't think anybody really knows. Viruses can't grow, they don't have cells or dna, they don't have chromozones and they're not stable or produce any energy. But they do reproduce and adapt to different environments and immunities. They're more like some kind of robotic parasite.
They either have DNA or RNA according to science, of course I have never seen one.
 
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nother words, science has made the call that defines (life or death) according to those
(7) principles - whether 'right or wrong'...
we all know that scientific conclusions have been 'over-turned' over and over and over,
through-out our history???
 

UnoiAmarah

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nother words, science has made the call that defines (life or death) according to those (7) principles
Say what? No it doesn't define what constitutes life and what constitutes death. The principle shows whether or not the cell is a virus. If the cell meets each of the 7 precepts, you know whether it was a virus or not, so if you just want to guess then guess.

we all know that scientific conclusions have been 'over-turned' over and over and over,
through-out our history???
That is why I am going to believe the LORD no matter what the truth is, so how do you distinguish between your truth and his word? So does the word of the LORD still hold true that conception occurs as the result of the cell fusion between the gametes of the male and female?
 
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nother words, science has made the call that defines (life or death) according to those
(7) principles - whether 'right or wrong'...
we all know that scientific conclusions have been 'over-turned' over and over and over,
through-out our history???
Whether a cell is considered living or non living has been an area of debate for sure.

I regard it as good thing that scientific conclusions have been overturned and probably should happen more.
 

tanakh

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Ha, ha. One exists already. They're just biding their time to tell you about it, so that people (or governments) are ready to pay a small fortune for a quantity of worthless toxins. I could smell the profit motive in this the first day the media portrayed panic went viral.

So you have some unique access to whats going on in the world generally and to this topic particularly. If I was cursed with your
profound knowledge I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning
 

Moses_Young

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Point taken. But viruses can't function by themselves (unlike AI controlled killer-drones). And unless altered to function as a weapon, I don't believe God would have made the primary purpose of a virus to kill people. Deaths are just an unfortunate side effect, probably due to other issues such as poor diet or environmental pollution.

So you have some unique access to whats going on in the world generally and to this topic particularly. If I was cursed with your profound knowledge I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning
Did you stop to think that perhaps this is why you were not so cursed?
 
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Point taken. But viruses can't function by themselves (unlike AI controlled killer-drones). And unless altered to function as a weapon, I don't believe God would have made the primary purpose of a virus to kill people. Deaths are just an unfortunate side effect, probably due to other issues such as poor diet or environmental pollution.

Did you stop to think that perhaps this is why you were not so cursed?
The AIDS virus kills, the Ebola virus kills... once in a host it replicates.
Has nothing to do with other issues.
This is the result of living in a fallen world.
 
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So you have some unique access to whats going on in the world generally and to this topic particularly. If I was cursed with your
profound knowledge I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning
Agree
 

Moses_Young

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The AIDS virus kills, the Ebola virus kills... once in a host it replicates.
Has nothing to do with other issues.
You know the AIDS virus is often disputed? At least one book was written claiming it doesn't exist, and some people believe AIDS actually is the effects of vaccines initially provided to sodomites as a prevention for other diseases.

I'm not so sure about the ebola virus, but as it only seems to affect people living in Africa, again wouldn't be too surprised if the "virus" itself were benign, but combined with malnutrition it was lethal.

This is the result of living in a fallen world.
I agree that the world is fallen, but scripture doesn't record God creating disease (other than afflicting His enemies with various plagues). The origins of viruses are not explained, but cannot just exist. They are clearly designed to interact with living cells, so require an intelligent source.

As stated previously, a virus has never been isolated homogenously and demonstrated to cause the symptoms associated with the virus. So a lot of what is claimed about viruses has never been proven, and just because the map states "here there be dragons", doesn't necessarily mean we should cower in fear or act with irrational panic.
 
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You know the AIDS virus is often disputed? At least one book was written claiming it doesn't exist, and some people believe AIDS actually is the effects of vaccines initially provided to sodomites as a prevention for other diseases.

I'm not so sure about the ebola virus, but as it only seems to affect people living in Africa, again wouldn't be too surprised if the "virus" itself were benign, but combined with malnutrition it was lethal.

I agree that the world is fallen, but scripture doesn't record God creating disease (other than afflicting His enemies with various plagues). The origins of viruses are not explained, but cannot just exist. They are clearly designed to interact with living cells, so require an intelligent source.

As stated previously, a virus has never been isolated homogenously and demonstrated to cause the symptoms associated with the virus. So a lot of what is claimed about viruses has never been proven, and just because the map states "here there be dragons", doesn't necessarily mean we should cower in fear or act with irrational panic.
While I find this intriguing, it is hard to accept as truth and be persuaded without evidence.

What causes the common cold then?
 

Moses_Young

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While I find this intriguing, it is hard to accept as truth and be persuaded without evidence.
I don't have proof, but as I don't believe a virus has even been isolated (using an electron microscope to confirm), the simplest explanation to me is that viruses as claimed don't exist.

What causes the common cold then?
Possibly bacteria. Possibly toxins. Possibly both (bacteria working to clean up toxins). Have you ever been to a doctor, been diagnosed with some virus, yet been prescribed antibiotics? When asked why, doctors will answer that the viral infection might cause a bacterial one (or the doctor may be unsure whether the sickness is viral or bacterial), so prescribe the antibiotics in case of bacterial infection. My view (from lack of knowledge of other evidence), is why then invoke viruses as a cause of sickness?