Possibly as Dave-l mentioned something about red dragons orbiting the earth. Can't very well orbit a flat earth.
Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign
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True
but amill is still replacemeant theology
True believers were the chosen of God before abraham and after, it’s always been that way
but God did set aside one nation with a mission and gave them gifts he never promised anyone else
God has given you a mission and given you gifts he never promised unbelievers. By the way my friend, are you a gentile believer?
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eternally-gratefull
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he never promised all people all gifts.
He did promise a NATION a specific gift as an eternal gift. throughout ALL their generations.
and no, I do not belong to that nation. But I do expect God to keep his promise to them. just like my hope is God will keep his eternal promise to me
As far as inheritance to believers goes, he most certainly did.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev.21:7
A nation of believers, regardless of ethnicity,
and for the foreigners who reside among you, who have fathered sons among you. You must treat them as native-born among the people of Israel; they will be allotted an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Eze.47:22
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal.3:7
What has God promised you my friend?
That mission came with a clause
"Now therefore, if you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure unto me from all the peoples, for all the earth is mine" (Exodus 19:5).
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eternally-gratefull
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Who is he who overcomes but he who believes that he is Jesus 1 John 5:5
god promised them land and the ability to live in peace. Yes a gentile who came in could also receive that promise but it was still the physical land and you dis
Not have to be a believer to live there.
Your trying to equate an eternal spiritual
Promise with a physical (that’s why it is called replacement theology)
A good start would be lev 26. It tells what will happen to Isreal if they sin. And what would happen to them after they are punished if they repent
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eternally-gratefull
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It also Came with a promise of punishment if the rebel. Ultimate punishment being what happened in 70AD
lev 26
Leviticus 26:27–33 (NKJV): And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.
Read historical accounts of Titus destruction of Jerusalem where they left it a wasteland
But at same time. God said he would never forget his promise and if they repent he would remember
lev 26.
Leviticus 26:40–45 (NKJV): ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them;
they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes.
44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them;
for I am the Lord their God.
45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:
I am the Lord.’ ”
God does not go back On his promises
if he says he will punish you he will
if he says he will never let your nation be destroyed even when in captivity. He will not
If he says he will remember his promise if you repent. He will
Prophecy proves all the above is true and will happen
Abraham believed in the coming Messiah. All believers do.
Well my friend, this is what God promises all believers. Unbelievers will be removed someday.
It has already been clearly shown that the Patriarchs were promised the Kingdom of God.
The things written in the OT are for our learning. They're spiritually discerned. For instance, Lev.26 clearly shows a person who believes in Jesus, a person who knows the Lord understands that by the law, no one will be justified. All are under the condemnation of it and therefore are in dire need of Gods mercy. But listen here my friend, Get yourself far away from people who want Jewish people to be justified apart from Jesus. There's your replacement theology and it has infected the church big time.
It's a common misunderstanding that "dispensationalists" believe such a thing (That is NOT "dispensationalism"!! It's ppl thinking John Hagee's [flawed] viewpoint [if it is indeed his viewpoint, I don't know] represents the whole; but this is UNTRUE!! I wish ppl would quit projecting that onto everyone else, as if it were true/factual
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eternally-gratefull
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Yep and Abraham also knew the difference between the salvation aspect of Gods covenant and a physical
Inheritance given to his descendants. Which he would never be able to enjoy. Although his focus as always was on the eternal not the physical
no my friend
God only promised this gift to one seed through Abraham issac and jacob
I was Never promised a plot of land in the Middle East
It’s already been shown that a whole nation was promised the land of Canaan
God keeps his promises. Read lev 26. Even after the city was destroyed and they are taken and scattered God promises he would never forget them
It’s not about salvation it’s about a physical gift god gave to a nation of people
replacement theology is what is the issue. Your taking a physical gift god gave one nation and making it a spiritual
Gift of salvation given now to the church
Lev is 26 is Gods Provision. For the children if isreal Living in the land God have them punishment for disobedience which we know was Literally carried out by Babylon and rome
and we are told their repentance and restoration will Also Literally be carried out
if your not going to understand what is being thought you have no business trying to refute it because your root. Argument is wrong to begin with
The Earth will be repopulated with a remnant or 10% of the people will survive. There have been 6 extinctions in the history of the earth. The most recent was around 12,990 years ago when the woolly mammoths and saber tooth tigers went extinct.
The church age is coming to an end and the Kingdom age is beginning. We are told that we will rule and reign with Christ here on the earth for 1,000 years.
I never mentioned dispensationalists. I mentioned people who somehow embrace the heresy of Christ's body being divided due to ethnicity,It's a common misunderstanding that "dispensationalists" believe such a thing (That is NOT "dispensationalism"!! It's ppl thinking John Hagee's [flawed] viewpoint [if it is indeed his viewpoint, I don't know] represents the whole; but this is UNTRUE!! I wish ppl would quit projecting that onto everyone else, as if it were true/factual
do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. Mt.3:9
And this is exactly what's being done here
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Well, let me just be clear for the readers' sakes then... that this is NOT what is being done by "dispensationalists" nor does it represent their stance (not sure what you mean by your use of the word "here" / "what is being done here").
In "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)] (which is made up of both Jews and Gentiles), they (we) are considered NEITHER, in our standing before God IN CHRIST. [NO DISTINCTION therein!]
But that is speaking of all those saved "in this present age [singular]". (For example, "our Rapture" pertains SOLELY to these ^ , NOT to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints.)
Those who come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture," are distinctly Jews/Israel and the Gentiles/nations, where this is spoken of.
And Ephesians 1:10, is not speaking of "in this present age [singular]" / the NOW, but yet future.
The rest of the epistle IS covering the NOW ("this present age [singular]" [where there is NO DISTINCTION in "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"), but Ephesians 1:10 is not speaking of this present age (but a yet future one!
).Presently (in this present age [singular]), it is referring solely to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" where this is the case that there is NO DISTINCTION (therein).
I see the problem coming in when people do not perceive the CHRONOLOGY (and timing) issues, and simply lump everything into one big pile of mush... rather than distinguishing the things that differ as we are called to do, and "correctly apportioning the word of truth"
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1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
The seed the promise was made to is Jesus,
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[ who is Christ. Gal.3:16
when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, Lk.13:28
There is NO DISTINCTION in "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (to whom the Rapture SOLELY pertains). That is ALL SAINTS "in this present age [singular]" that Scripture itself speaks of.
[NO DIVISION THERE!]The OT saints were never promised "Rapture".
The Trib saints and MK saints will exist on the earth FOLLOWING the event commonly called the Rapture. It, biblically/scripturally-speaking, literally DOES NOT pertain to them.
It is called "correctly apportioning the word of truth."
I could have just as easily pointed to the noun-word in "OUR gathering-together [noun, ONE WORD in the Grk] UNTO HIM"... which is what I meant (though few would've recognized it: "our episynagoges unto Him"). This is because it indeed pertains TO US.
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Only the 144,000 will go through the great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble. The test will be severe. Like never was before.