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bojack

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When the likes of Bakker ,Swaggert, Copland , AA Allen, Olsten . Hinn While, Crouch, Jakes good ol deceiving Scofield it has put Pentecostalism is a bad light, The Bethel church in my area is just plain ol creepy . Laying across graves, feathers floating in services , Like used car sales men selling a cheap product.

I saw the fake in about 1956 in a tent meeting with AA Allen . As a child God gave me the insight to understand a frog is a frog in a mason jar it is not a demon. Scratches on a forehead were used to fill offering baskets not for the glory of God.
Hi Reba, for sure there will be wheat and tares come up together ..
 

bojack

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Paul was an Apostle = had the gifts because of that.
Which prophecy teacher ? Then, now, Joel , All of the above

14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
 
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Reba1

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Growing up believing every thing printed in the Bible was Scripture i was in for a big surprise ! See the Bible i was reading was Scofield's. Scofield word is not God's Word. Grandpa used an early edition of Scofield ,1909 or 1917 . Scofield notes have been edited over the years. From my upbringing Dispinsationalism and Pentecostalism are centered around the Scofield Bible. Right or wrong the 2 are one in my head/heart. Scofield as one of the fathers of dispensationalism leaves much to be desired . Not saying Scofield was a prophet ,as a prophet of God is never in error . but his notes are contrary to Gods word The quote below is from the 1917 edition .. Finding this out about 40-45 years ago forced me to read Scripture in a new unencumbered way.

Highlights mine.


13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
1 Gather
The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment. At the end of this age ( Matthew 13:40 ) the tares are set apart for burning, but first the wheat is gathered into the barn. ; John 14:3 ; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 .​
 
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Which prophecy teacher ? Then, now, Joel , All of the above

14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
“Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.” 2 Timothy 1:6 (KJV 1900)
 
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bojack

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“But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.” (1 Corinthians 4:3)
Your message and your words , my message and my words will .. We both agree ..
 

bojack

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Growing up believing every thing printed in the Bible was Scripture i was in for a big surprise ! See the Bible i was reading was Scofield's. Scofield word is not God's Word. Grandpa used an early edition of Scofield ,1909 or 1917 . Scofield notes have been edited over the years. From my upbringing Dispinsationalism and Pentecostalism are centered around the Scofield Bible. Right or wrong the 2 are one in my head/heart. Scofield as one of the fathers of dispensationalism leaves much to be desired . Not saying Scofield was a prophet ,as a prophet of God is never in error . but his notes are contrary to Gods word The quote below is from the 1917 edition .. Finding this out about 40-45 years ago forced me to read Scripture in a new unencumbered way.

Highlights mine.


13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
1 Gather​
The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment. At the end of this age ( Matthew 13:40 ) the tares are set apart for burning, but first the wheat is gathered into the barn. ; John 14:3 ; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 .​
My thing is ''your sins will find you out'' so all these fake teachers are taken care of one way or the other, the ones who belong to Jesus will be exposed, corrected and humbled .. What hand do I play ? Can they be restored like I have a few times ? I just disqualify them from being an authority but they still can belong to Jesus and probably a little more humbled and refined .. The Word goes out and will not return void .. And there's no way I would ever be in charge of a flock .. I can preach the Word and have, led many to Jesus but I don't consider myself qualified under 1 Tim 3 .. I don't have that much nerve and confidence
 

Deade

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I can see your main ministry seems to be a ''wet blanket'' ..
28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Amen bojack. Who was Jesus speaking of in the following verses:

John 14:12,13 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

These cessationist will probably call the miracles of the two witnesses, I believe will be in this generation, of the devil. Just saying. 6-old-thumbsup.gif
 

presidente

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Yes in accordance with what the word of God teaches. Not outside the word of God nor according to the will of the Pentecostal and charismatic movement would have the Holy Spirit to act.

The Holy Spirit is not given to make Pentecostals and charismatics happy but to glorify God. To point lost souls to Christ through the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
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If ye then being evil know how to give good gifts into your children how much more shall the Father which is in heaven give the Holy Ghost to them that ask Him.
 

notuptome

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If ye then being evil know how to give good gifts into your children how much more shall the Father which is in heaven give the Holy Ghost to them that ask Him.
The Holy Spirit is given to all who believe and ask to be saved. Notwithstanding this does not advance the argument that the Holy Spirit is given that men might wield power here on earth.

Men are called of God to be a witness of the saving grace of God.

For the cause of Christ
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presidente

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The Holy Spirit is given to all who believe and ask to be saved. Notwithstanding this does not advance the argument that the Holy Spirit is given that men might wield power here on earth.

Men are called of God to be a witness of the saving grace of God.
You argue for a false dichotomy.

Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
 
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Let's see some miracles in a world flooded with cell phone cameras, if the Pentecostals got it right.

As loving as God is, it makes we wonder why he did not destroy mankind in a twinkling of the eye when mankind chose to do the will of another spirit. It would define mercy.

Miracles are miracles nothing more and nothing less. Eternal God not seen is" nothing less". We walk by faith the unseen, eternal .

The law of faith which is trusting a God not seen. It is the law that was made to no effect in the garden again by doing the will of another spirit.

The question I would ask is if in regard to the greatest miracle ."Born Again" .If he said marvel not. How would that work with a lesser miracle?

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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As loving as God is, it makes we wonder why he did not destroy mankind in a twinkling of the eye when mankind chose to do the will of another spirit. It would define mercy.

Miracles are miracles nothing more and nothing less. Eternal God not seen is" nothing less". We walk by faith the unseen, eternal .

The law of faith which is trusting a God not seen. It is the law that was made to no effect in the garden again by doing the will of another spirit.

The question I would ask is if in regard to the greatest miracle ."Born Again" .If he said marvel not. How would that work with a lesser miracle?

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
But the signs and wonders Pentecostals claim to have are without the slightest proof. Let's tell the truth if we claim to follow Christ.
 

presidente

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But the signs and wonders Pentecostals claim to have are without the slightest proof. Let's tell the truth if we claim to follow Christ.
Did you look up the evidence I refer you to? That' the thing. You claim, axiomatically, that there is no proof. Your 'proof' is that skeptical news people like yourself don't investigate the evidence either.
 
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Did you look up the evidence I refer you to? That' the thing. You claim, axiomatically, that there is no proof. Your 'proof' is that skeptical news people like yourself don't investigate the evidence either.
Raising the dead? Healing polio victims? This is what you would see if anyone had the gifts.
 
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You do not believe what the Bible says about spiritual gifts. If you saw a sign would you believe?

Can't see spiritual things. We can see the things of men . If I saw a sign I would inquire what is the meaning that follows after the sign?

Like for instance. What is the meaning of falling backward slain in the spirit? Does it mean men are mocking God by their oral traditions of corrupted mankind? The spirit of judgment?

Isaiah 28:12-14 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be "senseless sounds" to them:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

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Reba1

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Cant seem to edit my above post ... I do not see any connection between the theatrics of Hinn and God speaking in Isa. 28