Elijah to come vs Antichrist

[JeremiahsCup]

Yes. Islam completely fits.

No, it is not Islam, for Islam is an ancient pagan religion of the arabs, and even before Muhammad the sorcerer was deceive by the dragon pretending to be an angel its idol and its roots are of the ancient tier order of pagan religions when they were based on race but have passed in our time era into mythology, for example comparable to Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology, Celtic mythology, etc. The idol of Mecca is older than Islam when the Arabs worshipped goddesses and rocks, Muhammad merely, as legend has it, placed it in Kaaba. Muhammad's delusion and its splinters have become the false gods of many peoples fathers. Even though Islam is an evil pagan religion it is old so it is unlikely to be this strange false god.

No matter though this wicked king and his idol shall be lost and not found as the book goes on and Jesus shall come, praise God.

Daniel 11:40-45

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

[Timothy5378]

YOU SEE PETER WAS AN APOSTLE...HE KNEW NOTHING OF CATHOLICISM..IT DIDNT EXIST TILL 300 YEARS LATER...POPES DID NOT START TILL AFTER THE EMPORERS STOPPED...

YOUR NOT TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW CATHOLICS...I KNOW THEIR LIES LOL WELL

AFTER LIVING IN MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA YOU GET REAL FAMILAR WITH THE LIES AND CATHOLICISM IS NOT A DENOMINATION...ITS THE WHORE WITH THE GOLDEN CUP ON SEVEN HILLS

WHY IS IT YOU DONT SEE...IT IS BECAUSE YOUR HEART IS WRONG...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

No...READ DANIEL...MEDIA PERSIA IS THE 2ND BEAST...THE 4TH IS ROME...THE LITTLE HORN COMES FROM ROME

IT TAKES A CATHOLIC TO LOVE WICKEDNESS LIKE ITS TRUTH

Back up. I asked you this question.

What happened to Rome historically? What happened to the Eastern leg of The Roman Empire? (Which outlasted the Western leg by 1000 years)

If you are so confident that what you've been taught is true it can stand up to a bit of research on your part.
Have you studied Middle Eastern or European history all?

 

[Guojing]

You have a big problem with this. We may disagree with the Catholic way of mixing paganism in with their religious worship.
We may not like their clinging to idolatry. (Can you name a denomination that doesn't have an error though?)

But Catholics do not deny the deity of Christ. They do not deny God, Father, Son & Holy Spirit. They do not deny the virgin birth of Jesus. Catholics are NOT antichrist. There are times in history when The Catholic Church was the only part of the body of Christ upholding the core teachings of Christianity. You sir, cannot decide Catholics are unsaved.

Do you think most Catholics follow 1 Cor 15:1-4 when it comes to their salvation?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Catholics have some serious errors. Jesus covers this in Revelation Chapter 2. But they are still a part of the body not the beast system.
Again, I cannot let you ignore this, you must pause and reflect. Catholics DO NOT DENY CHRIST.

You are a liar if you keep insisting otherwise. Slander is a sin. How is that any better than idolatry?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Do you think most Catholics follow 1 Cor 15:1-4 when it comes to their salvation?

This?

1 Cor 15:
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve

I don't (think) they do. I know they do. This is hammered into them at school. They recite it every week at mass. You couldn't be Catholic without it. Basic stuff.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Regardless of heretical sects even those to say that are derived or influenced by Christianity, these cannot be the final false religion either since they also are old just bluntly, people's father knew them, and usually be where the deluded masses get it from. Overlooking the feelings towards Catholic or Islam or so forth and so on when talking specifically about the endgame of it all, that man of sin and his false god and false religion will be something strange and new.

Nevertheless as the next brief chapter and book of Daniel the man of God concludes that though woeful times soon to come, Jesus will ultimately prevail, praise God.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel+12&version=KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

[Guojing]

This?

1 Cor 15:
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve

I don't (think) they do. I know they do. This is hammered into them at school. They recite it every week at mass. You couldn't be Catholic without it. Basic stuff.

Wow, if that is indeed true it will be fascinating. I think half the Christians I meet in real life, when I ask them how they are saved, they tend to reply in a combination of:

1. I asked Jesus to come into my heart
2. I am water baptized.
3. I go to church regularly and try to follow the 2 greatest commandments.

and that's it.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

YOU SEE PETER WAS AN APOSTLE...HE KNEW NOTHING OF CATHOLICISM..IT DIDNT EXIST TILL 300 YEARS LATER...POPES DID NOT START TILL AFTER THE EMPORERS STOPPED...

YOUR NOT TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW CATHOLICS...I KNOW THEIR LIES LOL WELL

AFTER LIVING IN MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA YOU GET REAL FAMILAR WITH THE LIES AND CATHOLICISM IS NOT A DENOMINATION...ITS THE WHORE WITH THE GOLDEN CUP ON SEVEN HILLS

WHY IS IT YOU DONT SEE...IT IS BECAUSE YOUR HEART IS WRONG...

Stick to one point at a time please.
I’m not defending Catholic sins.
Listing all her sins is one subject. Accusing her of something for which she is not guilty is immoral.
It doesn’t matter how emotionally attached to the Roman model you have become.
You can’t play loose with facts. It isn’t my opinion that Catholics are not antichrist.
It’s a provable, verifiable and undeniable FACT. Case closed.

As a Christian you should be a truth seeker.

Why should a Christian be offended at the suggestion that The Lord should grant salvation to Catholics who believe in him?
This prejudice is clouding your judgement and your very ability to discern prophecy.

 

[Timothy5378]

Stick to one point at a time please.
I’m not defending Catholic sins.
Listing all her sins is one subject. Accusing her of something for which she is not guilty is immoral.
It doesn’t matter how emotionally attached to the Roman model you have become.
You can’t play loose with facts. It isn’t my opinion that Catholics are not antichrist.
It’s a provable, verifiable and undeniable FACT. Case closed.

As a Christian you should be a truth seeker.

Why should a Christian be offended at the suggestion that The Lord should grant salvation to Catholics who believe in him?
This prejudice is clouding your judgement and your very ability to discern prophecy.

Even if an angel comes down from heaven and gives you another gospel don't believe it there under a curse

Gal 1: 8-9. There are no exceptions
Catholics lies keep people from being born again just as Mormon lies do

I'm sorry but the great whore is Catholicism....its so clear that almost all study Bibles say Rev 17 and 18 is Rome

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Catholics have some serious errors. Jesus covers this in Revelation Chapter 2. But they are still a part of the body not the beast system.
Again, I cannot let you ignore this, you must pause and reflect. Catholics DO NOT DENY CHRIST.

You are a liar if you keep insisting otherwise. Slander is a sin. How is that any better than idolatry?

You are making a very interesting argument, but Islam also doesn’t deny the existence of Christ but the deity of Christ.

The pope is trying his best to get all the religions into one bed and that is why the one world religion will once again be prominent in the end times, just like it was 300+ years after Jesus was crucified.

The Bible teaches us that there is a false spirit that will deceive. We can see the false spirit in all the churches and to argue that Catholics are saved because they don’t deny Christ is not a good argument because then I can argue that the JW also acknowledge Christ and Jehovah so they also have a chance to reach heaven with their false doctrine. If we mix the seeds (Gods and mens) we are lukewarm and the Bible teaches us we will be spitted out. So, yes we can without a shadow of a doubt say that Catholics will not enter heaven because of their manmade doctrines. They worship graven images and so many other things I am not even going to mention.

If we mix the seed we do not form part of the body of Christ. Jesus said that there will be people coming up to him saying “Lord we healed people in your name…..” and he will say “turn away from me for I knew you not”. These people were doing miracles in the name of Jesus, so they never denied Christ but they do not form part of the body of Christ. This will be Christian and Catholic alike; if we mix the seeds we will not enter heaven.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Even if an angel comes down from heaven and gives you another gospel don't believe it there under a curse

Gal 1: 8-9. There are no exceptions
Catholics lies keep people from being born again just as Mormon lies do

I'm sorry but the great whore is Catholicism....its so clear that almost all study Bibles say Rev 17 and 18 is Rome

BUT CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!


This is the Catholic profession of faith which you are calling a lie and "another gospel."

(Professed at Sunday Mass)

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.


I'm going to ignore you from now on. Your religious spirit is unchristian, dishonest and perverse.

 

[John146]

BUT CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!


This is the Catholic profession of faith which you are calling a lie and "another gospel."

(Professed at Sunday Mass)

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.


I'm going to ignore you from now on. Your religious spirit is unchristian, dishonest and perverse.

Trust me, Catholics do not believe that eternal life is through believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Catholics believe baptism and other works are required. My wife grew up in a solid RCC family. She had no idea how to be saved according to Scripture. They don't read Scripture. She thought she was saved because she was sprinkled as a child and grew up saying all the prayers and doing good works.

 

[Timothy5378]

BUT CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!


This is the Catholic profession of faith which you are calling a lie and "another gospel."

(Professed at Sunday Mass)

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.


I'm going to ignore you from now on. Your religious spirit is unchristian, dishonest and perverse.

Well you are not going to sik the pope on me with a spell or excommunication like they did Jesus and His followers

OH YOU JUST DID LMAO

I HAVE KNOW MANY OTHER PASTORS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND LAY PEOPLE AND ALL THE CONVERTS FROM THE CATHOLIC REALM THAT CONVERTED SAID THEY WERE NOT SAVED TILL THEY GOT BORN AGAIN AND FREE FROM THE CATHOLIC LIES

AMEN AND AMEN

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You are making a very interesting argument, but Islam also doesn’t deny the existence of Christ but the deity of Christ.

The pope is trying his best to get all the religions into one bed and that is why the one world religion will once again be prominent in the end times, just like it was 300+ years after Jesus was crucified.

The Bible teaches us that there is a false spirit that will deceive. We can see the false spirit in all the churches and to argue that Catholics are saved because they don’t deny Christ is not a good argument because then I can argue that the JW also acknowledge Christ and Jehovah so they also have a chance to reach heaven with their false doctrine. If we mix the seeds (Gods and mens) we are lukewarm and the Bible teaches us we will be spitted out. So, yes we can without a shadow of a doubt say that Catholics will not enter heaven because of their manmade doctrines. They worship graven images and so many other things I am not even going to mention.

If we mix the seed we do not form part of the body of Christ. Jesus said that there will be people coming up to him saying “Lord we healed people in your name…..” and he will say “turn away from me for I knew you not”. These people were doing miracles in the name of Jesus, so they never denied Christ but they do not form part of the body of Christ. This will be Christian and Catholic alike; if we mix the seeds we will not enter heaven.

You will find Islam if you study it, doesn't simply deny Christ. It sets itself up in opposition to him. It's a complete replacement for Christianity. They have a false prophet, Isa (Jesus) who is not the son of God. Who was not crucified. (Christians stole the body). I could go on. Christians and Jews must be ultimately enslaved or killed. It's seriously and thoroughly antichrist since it's beginning.

Catholics believe Jesus is God and that his blood saves them from their sins. The basic creeds are very different.

JW's are classed as a cult because they believe Jesus is a created being.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

BUT CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!


This is the Catholic profession of faith which you are calling a lie and "another gospel."

(Professed at Sunday Mass)

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

And Jesus will tell them "turn away from me for I knew you not". To proclaim Jesus is not all you have to do to be saved. You need to turn away from manmade doctrines and they are not willing to do it. It might be that some of them get to know Christ and go to heaven because like you say we should not judge, but we can discern.

There are Catholics that turn away from their doctrine and they will be saved

God bless

 

[Timothy5378]

WHEN I JUST BEGAN MY WALK AS A BORN AGAIN...MY PASTOR AND ASST PASTOR WERE BOTH CATHOLICS BEFORE...AND THEY MADE IT CLEAR...CATHOLIC WAS JUST THE WORST CULT

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Trust me, Catholics do not believe that eternal life is through believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Catholics believe baptism and other works are required. My wife grew up in a solid RCC family. She had no idea how to be saved according to Scripture. They don't read Scripture. She thought she was saved because she was sprinkled as a child and grew up saying all the prayers and doing good works.

So she professed the saving blood of Jesus every Sunday but didn't believe it. That hardly condemns every other Catholic on the planet or the established creed does it?
And It doesn't make them the beast.

 

[Timothy5378]

You will find Islam if you study it, doesn't simply deny Christ. It sets itself up in opposition to him. It's a complete replacement for Christianity. They have a false prophet, Isa (Jesus) who is not the son of God. Who was not crucified. (Christians stole the body). I could go on. Christians and Jews must be ultimately enslaved or killed. It's seriously and thoroughly antichrist since it's beginning.

Catholics believe Jesus is God and that his blood saves them from their sins. The basic creeds are very different.

JW's are classed as a cult because they believe Jesus is a created being.

MAY MARY FALL UPON YOU AND SHOW YOU SHE DOES NOT HEAR PRAYER LOL

SHOULD I ASK MARY TO GET TO JESUS TO GET TO ST PETER TO GET TO AND GO OVER THERE AND

NO

 

[Timothy5378]

YOU ARE CONFUSED CATHOLICS RIDE THE BEAST THE BIBLE SAYS...IT DOES NOT SAY ROME IS THE BEAST OR ANTICHRIST...BUT THEY BOTH SHARE THE 10 HORNS....AND SO THE ANTI CHRIST WILL BE CATHOLIC