Are you demanding a sign before you will believe?We need proof. If true it should be easy to come by.
Are you demanding a sign before you will believe?We need proof. If true it should be easy to come by.
I already believe and that you don't have the goods.Are you demanding a sign before you will believe?
You're starving for Jesus aren't you, you miss His presence ? Not one soul here claims they have did anything on their own but only by the name of Jesus, what's your problem ? Is this the closest you can get these days, harassment ?We have all these profound miracles nobody has ever seen. Just like the Apostles. But not one cell phone has ever recorded one. Just the freak shows we have on YouTube.
Prove you are not terribly deceived. Show some evidence that what you say is true.You're starving for Jesus aren't you, you miss His presence ? Not one soul here claims they have did anything on their own but only by the name of Jesus, what's your problem ? Is this the closest you can get these days, harassment ?
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Check for a new thread to discuss the topic.I had a friend whom passed away a few years ago. She was a women who truly believed in the word of the Lord, but she also was very much into the “5 Fold Ministry”. Of course we had our conversations about that to which I did have my objections. What are your thoughts on that particular doctrine?
The 5 Fold Ministry is an offshoot of the Charismatic Movement.Check for a new thread to discuss the topic.
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Prove you are not terribly deceived. Show some evidence that what you say is true.
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Prove you are not terribly deceived. Show some evidence that what you say is true.
It works like this. The miracles were signs meant to be seen. But not even one cell phone capture of anything remotely approaching a miracle exists. It would make headlines if it did. You need to make the miracles you claim visible for all to see.It has to do with foundations.
Is not the witness of God as in all things written in the law and prophets enough? It alone is the foundation of spiritual truth as it is written.
The foundation of Charismatics must be established.
Where do we find that foundation called "sign gifts" in the witness of God? I would think spiritual unseen gifts yes .But the bible does not use sign as that which the eye can see as a gift .(walking by sight)
Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
We walk by the power of faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see, the temporal flesh .
The law of signs is clear. Signs as self edifying wonderments are for those who rebel. Prophecy through the spirit of faith for those who hear the word of God and beleive .
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14: 20-22
No such thing as "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes, a manifold .
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Again, you are the proof .. Your unbelief has allowed spiritual strongholds of pride in .. Humble yourself before the LORD, it's not too late but it will probably take a lot of spiritual warfare .. Do you believe that ..
It works like this. The miracles were signs meant to be seen. But not even one cell phone capture of anything remotely approaching a miracle exists. It would make headlines if it did. You need to make the miracles you claim visiblw forIt has to do with foundations.
Is not the witness of God as in all things written in the law and prophets enough? It alone is the foundation of spiritual truth as it is written.
The foundation of Charismatics must be established.
Where do we find that foundation called "sign gifts" in the witness of God? I would think spiritual unseen gifts yes .But the bible does not use sign as that which the eye can see as a gift .(walking by sight)
Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
We walk by the power of faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see, the temporal flesh .
The law of signs is clear. Signs as self edifying wonderments are for those who rebel. Prophecy through the spirit of faith for those who hear the word of God and beleive .
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14: 20-22
No such thing as "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes, a manifold .
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Miracles were to be seen, not hidden. Where are they if they exist?Again, you are the proof .. Your unbelief has allowed spiritual strongholds of pride in .. Humble yourself before the LORD, it's not too late but it will probably take a lot of spiritual warfare .. Do you believe that ..
If a prophet speaks in your church, are his words equal to scripture?God has now spoken through theSon, greater than speaking through OT prophets.
This passage does not say God stopped speaking through prophets. Christ said He sent prophets. He ascended and gave prophets to men. Acts, I Corinthians and Ephesians mention prophets. In Acts, Agabus, Judas, and Silas are identified as prophets.
Miracles and signs follow those who believe and folks are saved, healed and benefit because Jesus is good ..It works like this. The miracles were signs meant to be seen. But not even one cell phone capture of anything remotely approaching a miracle exists. It would make headlines if it did. You need to make the miracles you claim visiblw for
Miracles were to be seen, not hidden. Where are they if they exist?
Just that nobody believes, or the miracles are not for today. Where's the proof you have the miracles?Miracles and signs follow those who believe and folks are saved, healed and benefit because Jesus is good ..
Not if you’re in Bethel Church.If a prophet speaks in your church, are his words equal to scripture?
My testimony and witness of Jesus .. What's your testimony and witness ?Just that nobody believes, or the miracles are not for today. Where's the proof you have the miracles?
It's built on faith. Not on sight that many try to support with phoney claims of miracles.My testimony and witness of Jesus .. What's your testimony and witness ?
Where's your faith thenIt's built on faith. Not on sight that many try to support with phoney claims of miracles.
It works like this. The miracles were signs meant to be seen. But not even one cell phone capture of anything remotely approaching a miracle exists. It would make headlines if it did. You need to make the miracles you claim visible for all to see.
No, we don't count prophecy as equal to scripture. Scripture is for the church across ages. Do you think the genuine prophecies that scripture alludes to, but does not quote in its pages are equal to scripture?If a prophet speaks in your church, are his words equal to scripture?