Mary Mother of Jesus: Sinless?
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pottersclay
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Call it what you will... God does not embrace false doctrine. False doctrine he hated.
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pottersclay
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Kinda calling the kettle black here aren't we?
Jesus said we are more blessed having not seen....yet all of us were sinners before we were born again .....wait....we still are sinners but saved by grace. But in God's eyes it's if we had never sinned.
Christ is my righteousness.
God spoke very highly of job too. Where does he fit in the equation.
John says that if one says they have no sin they are a liar. God says all have sinned. He also said that there is no good thing in the flesh.
What you all miss is this.... There had to be a perfect sacrifice in order for sin to be forgiven and forgotten. God would not make a exception as Jesus demostrates in the garden prayer. He prayed "If there is any other way" let this cup pass from me but your will not mine be done.
Jesus was not conceived in sin but by the Holy Spirit. It's all about Jesus not Mary.
Mary needed all the grace that the Lord would provide for what she had to endure. Not only the horrible death of her son but looked down upon by the religious leaders. The whole community in fact. Possibly a single parent latter on as no mention of Joseph is given in the text. The understanding of who her son was and is blurred by her religious up bringing.
Yet she surrendered to the will of God knowing all of this with a happy heart. These are the examples of what we should take away and put in our minds and hearts from the text. Not re create the event of a made sinless Mary for this is the only way Christ could be born sinless.
In my opinion that is why the storys of the Lord's parents are short and his child hood is really not known as to bring little to no focus on the players but rather the gift that God has given us.
Such as the case with Moses body and the dispute. We have a tendency to glorify the creation more than the Creator.
No more enmity than in Luke 2:49 when Jesus said Woman, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?”
And I don't think those of us who do not see Mary as a sinner are making it all about Mary. And if it is all about Jesus then didn't he say that it wasn't about him but him who sent him.
And if the LORD said don't call anyone defiled whom he has made clean then you should understand why the soul that sins will die. And the soul that sees what the sinner can't see and warns them shall be made blind yet the soul that hears what the righteous can't hear and warns them not shall see the judgment of the LORD.
While it is explained in Ezekiel 3 about the wicked that turn from their wickedness shall live and their wickedness shall no more be remembered, yet when the righteous turn from their righteousness and commit iniquity then his righteousness shall no longer be remembered, but in the trespass which he has trespassed and the sin that he has sinned, he shall die., a more perfect explanation can be found in John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:39
It's good you know this.
The Book of Proverbs chapter 6
16.There are six things Adonai hates,
seven which he detests:
17 a haughty look, a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that plots wicked schemes,
feet swift in running to do evil,
19 a false witness who lies with every breath,
and him who sows strife among brothers.
"...A false witness is one who stands up and swears before others that something untrue is true, especially with the intention of hurting someone else or ruining his reputation."
You have responded to the wrong person. I said nothing that would garner your reply above.
Scripture justifies saying Mary was not sinless.
If we say we are without sin we are liars and the Truth is not in us.
Grace is unmerited favor. We are all saved by Grace.
Jesus/God's eternal Word calls many blessed. He did not elevate Mary above others simply because she bore him.
No, it does not.
Mary referred to God as her Savior. Present tense!
"...my soul magnifies the Lord."
A teaching after the Savior was born into the world. Find the scripture wherein God said His Holy Spirit indwells those dead in their sin. What would it mean that Mary was favored by God if she was not in His grace?
After Mary brought the Savior into the world.
Yes, he did.
What those who insist God's Holy Spirit occupied a sin filled woman's womb for 9 months so as to deliver Himself as the Savior of the world's Sins is in the reading of all of the Book of Luke chapter 1 and for proper context. Verse 48....from now on generations will call me blessed, for the Almighty has done great things for me.
If Mary was just an "incubator" as someone called her once in this type discussion, Mary would not have considered God's doing great things for her. Rather it would have been the proper description of, to her.
God's mercy extends from generation to generation. This was before Jesus was born.
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7seasrekeyed
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a person walking in the commandments of God does not mean they are perfect
it means (just addressing the 10 we are all familiar with) you do not kill, commit adultery, lust after your neighbors wife (husband), honor your mother and father(which means weigh their words, not obey them like a child as an adult), you don't steal etc
do you know why the commandments were given in the first place?
did God give them to create sinless people on this earth?
I am righteous before God. I do not obey all the law but I do follow the 10 commandments...so am I perfect?
how was Abraham righteous before God if he did not have any commandments or ordinances from God?
think it through. would be nice to hear an answer that is not found in the catechism
You realize there are those who would respond to the contrary as to your personal statement concerning the ten commandments? As we've seen in the threads on the forum.
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7seasrekeyed
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David sinned and begged God not to take His Holy Spirit away
bunch of nonsense to state the Holy Spirit did not rest upon or be in someone with sin
if that were true, the Holy Spirit would have stayed in heaven...bad enough some folks think he basically does nothing now anyway
how was Abraham saved? wasn't he called righteous?
was he sinless? not according to any Bible I have
he had no law yet he is called righteous
Mary was like any other human being who has ever lived after Adam and Eve. she was chosen for a specific purpose as was Abraham, Moses, David, Ruth and on and on...none sinless, but ALL chosen by God
bunch of nonsense to state the Holy Spirit did not rest upon or be in someone with sin
if that were true, the Holy Spirit would have stayed in heaven...bad enough some folks think he basically does nothing now anyway
how was Abraham saved? wasn't he called righteous?
was he sinless? not according to any Bible I have
he had no law yet he is called righteous
Mary was like any other human being who has ever lived after Adam and Eve. she was chosen for a specific purpose as was Abraham, Moses, David, Ruth and on and on...none sinless, but ALL chosen by God
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7seasrekeyed
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what in particular are you referring to?
I don't need Tom, Dick and Harriet to agree with me about what I believe...but I do go by scripture and scripture is obviously more than the law. people need to appreciate the fact that Abraham was righteous and he had nothing but a personal relationship with God
so what in particular do you have your eye on and what are you calling my 'personal statement?'
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eternally-gratefull
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7seasrekeyed
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7seasrekeyed
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is that it? I really do not know cause I have not been glued to my laptop breathlessly following this thread
has Whispered stated she is sinless and if so, could you point me to it?
not sure I am going to get an answer on what I asked.....
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eternally-gratefull
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No, she just demands we must keep,the ten commands,is that it? I really do not know cause I have not been glued to my laptop breathlessly following this thread
has Whispered stated she is sinless and if so, could you point me to it?
not sure I am going to get an answer on what I asked.....
well as moses Paul and James said, that demands perfection. Stumble in even one part your guilty.
she seems to think the law is a means of sanctification.
When you said:"...I am righteous before God. I do not obey all the law but I do follow the 10 commandments...so am I perfect? "
I agree fully that you, nor do I, need Tom, Dick, and Harriet to agree with me about what I believe. My question, in light of the excerpt from your post, pasted above, and I should have pasted that very thing in my initial reply to you so as to be clear, my apologies, was to ask, you realize there are those who would respond to the contrary as to your personal statement concerning the ten commandments? As we've seen in the threads on the forum.
And in light of that then, expanding on my initial question, how would you respond to them?
I've done and the responses aren't concessionary as to the Ten Words/Ten Commandments of God, being applicable today for the Christian. Which I find odd to say the least.
Thank you for your patience.
Again? Please, copy and paste either the statement or the link, which is preferred for ease of access, the link to the post wherein I said I was sinless. This so as to sustain your observation of my doing so, "again", in my remarks to 7.
Thank you for your time.