The wrath of the Lamb...why is Jesus so upset

[Timothy5378]

How do we have quality Christians if the church is lukewarm and does not want God's Truth

It's been 2000 years and look at the idolatry of the world

People don't want to share their faith and lead people to Christ...they don't want conflict and they don't know how to...so they start believing and accepting all paths and the cults and isms

 

[Dino246]

Hmmm... broadbrush much?

 

[Kolistus]

Hmmm... broadbrush much?

You know the saying, if the shoe fits....

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus asked if he would find the faith on earth when he returned? The faith would be Creedal Christianity which defines what Christians believe. Most fight against it since the 1800s false prophecy and Charismatic outbreaks.

 

[NotmebutHim]

"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

- 2 Timothy 4:1-5 NKJV

 

[Nehemiah6]

How do we have quality Christians if the church is lukewarm and does not want God's Truth

This statement and the title of your thread are at odds with each other. If you wish to focus on the wrath of the Lamb, then you need to see from Scripture why God's wrath is pending, and why it will be poured out upon the inhabitants of the earth in future.

For the present, those entrusted with the preaching of the Gospel and the teaching of the Word of God have generally failed to fulfil their solemn responsibility. Included in that is a presentation of the wrath of God BEFORE the Gospel is preached. That is exactly the sequence found in the epistle to the Romans. But many preachers today do not want to preach and teach about this subject.

Please note how Paul begins Romans after his introductory remarks: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18)

Then he continues with this: Who knowing the judgment of God [which is also the wrath of God], that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Rom 1:32)

But he does not stop there. He goes on to add: Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Rom 2:1-3)

Now how many preachers or evangelists today (especially televangelists) will begin their message with words like this or their equivalent and say: EACH ONE OF YOU WHO IS HERE TODAY WITHOUT CHRIST IS FACING GOD'S WRATH!"

Too many try to begin with a joke, and go on to tell stories, anecdotes, and a lot of drivel.

 

[Guojing]

This statement and the title of your thread are at odds with each other. If you wish to focus on the wrath of the Lamb, then you need to see from Scripture why God's wrath is pending, and why it will be poured out upon the inhabitants of the earth in future.

For the present, those entrusted with the preaching of the Gospel and the teaching of the Word of God have generally failed to fulfil their solemn responsibility. Included in that is a presentation of the wrath of God BEFORE the Gospel is preached. That is exactly the sequence found in the epistle to the Romans. But many preachers today do not want to preach and teach about this subject.

Please note how Paul begins Romans after his introductory remarks: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18)

Then he continues with this: Who knowing the judgment of God [which is also the wrath of God], that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Rom 1:32)

But he does not stop there. He goes on to add: Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Rom 2:1-3)

Now how many preachers or evangelists today (especially televangelists) will begin their message with words like this or their equivalent and say: EACH ONE OF YOU WHO IS HERE TODAY WITHOUT CHRIST IS FACING GOD'S WRATH!"

Too many try to begin with a joke, and go on to tell stories, anecdotes, and a lot of drivel.

Personally I prefer to use Paul’s 2 cor 5:11-21 to preach to unbelievers

 

[Nehemiah6]

Personally I prefer to use Paul’s 2 cor 5:11-21 to preach to unbelievers

That's called cherry picking. Not the whole counsel of God.

Did you every ask yourself why John the Baptist, Jesus, an the apostles started their preaching with this word: REPENT? And we should not forget Jonah after he was shaken up by God.

And do you see the connection between the wrath of God and repentance on one hand, and repentance and remission of sins on the other hand?

 

[Guojing]

That's called cherry picking. Not the whole counsel of God.

Did you every ask yourself why John the Baptist, Jesus, an the apostles started their preaching with this word: REPENT? And we should not forget Jonah after he was shaken up by God.

And do you see the connection between the wrath of God and repentance on one hand, and repentance and remission of sins on the other hand?

It helps if more people rightly divide the word and recognize how repentance applies to the Jews:

The idea of repentance is for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King.

But of course they did not, so God blinded them temporary.

Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works. That is what I believe Paul was saying to all of us Gentiles, in his epistles.

 

[Timothy5378]

Oh my God...how do people come up with this stuff lol

We must all repent and it's not simple it's to be complete...and it's required for all to be saved


How people get and type so much that is just nothing to do with Bible

Repent of Sin and believe the gospel

It's simply said...and every person Jesus saw He asked them to do it on the spot

 

[Guojing]

Oh my God...how do people come up with this stuff lol

We must all repent and it's not simple it's to be complete...and it's required for all to be saved


How people get and type so much that is just nothing to do with Bible

Repent of Sin and believe the gospel

It's simply said...and every person Jesus saw He asked them to do it on the spot

Not many Christians were taught how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

They keep forgetting that the Gentiles, during the 4 Gospels, were excluded from anything the Jews had since God raised Abraham way back in Genesis (Ephesians 2:11-12)

 

[John146]

That's called cherry picking. Not the whole counsel of God.

Did you every ask yourself why John the Baptist, Jesus, an the apostles started their preaching with this word: REPENT? And we should not forget Jonah after he was shaken up by God.

And do you see the connection between the wrath of God and repentance on one hand, and repentance and remission of sins on the other hand?

Jonah never told Nineveh to repent. The message was of destruction only. “Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown.”

 

[Timothy5378]

There has always been just one set of rules at any given time...it does not matter Jew or Gentile..in the OT Ruth and Rehab had the same rules to live by as the Jews etc...

I'm sorry but you got yourself into a complicated mess that has nothing to do with anything

We all repent and believe the gospel

How did you complicate it like that

You came up with a whole thing that just has nothing to do with anything

Repent

Gospel

Faith

 

[Timothy5378]

Jonah never told Nineveh to repent. The message was of destruction only. “Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown.”

They repented and did not eat 3 days nor drink water nor the animals

Without repentance there is no remission

 

[John146]

They repented and did not eat 3 days nor drink water nor the animals

Without repentance there is no remission

True, but Jonah didn’t preach repentance.

 

[Guojing]

There has always been just one set of rules at any given time...it does not matter Jew or Gentile..in the OT Ruth and Rehab had the same rules to live by as the Jews etc...

I'm sorry but you got yourself into a complicated mess that has nothing to do with anything

We all repent and believe the gospel

How did you complicate it like that

You came up with a whole thing that just has nothing to do with anything

Repent

Gospel

Faith

Its all scriptural. What do you think of what Paul explained clearly to us Gentiles in Ephesian 2:11-12?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jonah never told Nineveh to repent. The message was of destruction only. “Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown.”

So you really wanted to see Jonah say: "Repent OR..."? The very fact that Nineveh repented proves that we are to believe WHAT IS IMPLIED as much as what is explicitly stated.

 

[Timothy5378]

Listen...they were smart those people they got the message without the word being said....they knew they had to...all have to...God will not forgive those who do not repent...pls we can split hairs...no one as a group had a prophet who did not want them saved and then all the wicked town got saved...total repentance

 

[John146]

So you really wanted to see Jonah say: "Repent OR..."? The very fact that Nineveh repented proves that we are to believe WHAT IS IMPLIED as much as what is explicitly stated.

I never like adding to scripture to fit my beliefs.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? Who can tell? It doesn’t sound like Jonah told them, if they repent then God would spare them. They were uncertain.
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. God changed His mind and did not destroy them.

 

[Timothy5378]

Maybe I should have said the church does not want to repent like Jesus asked in Rev 2 and 3...so people say Christians today just are not so good...they are getting that the church today us not holy like God asks...for its all just grace...

the gospel today is gotten people think like going thru a fast food drive thru when there is a lot to the complete gospel

It's true what a person gets saved with and what one might later know...its sad that people don't have attention for the truth...they want a quick raise your hand and repeat after me gospel not sitting down and reading the whole NT