Mary Mother of Jesus: Sinless?

[Timothy5378]

Is not praying to anything else besides God wickedness...or making statues of anything and bowing to them wickedness against the second commandment....how is it that. We do not know all Christians the great whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic church...we knew it before when they were openly killing us...but now the devil is friendly

 

[Elihoenai]

Luke 1:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Given that Elisabeth keeps all the Commandments and Ordinances of Elohim/God and Mary is greater than Elisabeth, does that mean Mary is Sinless?

 

[notuptome]

Given that Elisabeth keeps all the Commandments and Ordinances of Elohim/God and Mary is greater than Elisabeth, does that mean Mary is Sinless?

Nope.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

All means all. All need the Savior. Jesus blood was shed to atone for Mary just as it was for yours.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[pottersclay]

I'm not a Catholic but I think saying Catholics are not Christians is false/extreme. If you ask Catholics if Mary is God, I bet they would say no. If Mary is sinless because God made her sinless/protected her from sin, then she is not God. God is still in authority and He can do as He wishes. Mary is considered sinless by Catholics because Catholics hold Jesus is such a high regard, they do not believe He would be born from a woman in sin.

I see this statement alot that God can do as he wishes......not so. If that were the case there would be no reason for doctrine.
God works with in his word....his law and statues.. that's how we come to know him and can see his mighty works.
There is no Luke warm with God. As your position seems to be.
The truth is right in front of any one that is seeking.
Don't care what the beleif is the question is what is the truth.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All need to repent. All need to be born again.
You cannot enter any other way.
To say mary is sinless is to call God a liar. Are you bold enough to do that?
Question is why are we so focused on if Mary was sinless or not when God's word planly says no.
She didn't die for me. She didn't make any sacrafices for me. She is not my savior not my high priest. Which is by the way a requirement.
To pray to her, to raise her statues to be as Christ is blasphemy.
God said listen to my son. Do as he says. Show me any red letters that tell us to go to Mary for anything and I will fully apologize to this forum .
This is the doctrine of demons. That is why I hate it. It is futile non factual garbage. Mans reason to reinvent God to his understanding.
Many of the saints blood has stained this doctrine of hell and Satan once again laughs.
"You shall have no other God's before me" clear enough?
Go ahead pray and worship her. Better yet let's change the word of God .
Mary was a prepared vessel since gen 3 a woman according to what scripture tells us that loved the Lord. Yet was just as baffled as the rest of the early followers.
In fact Jesus himself said we are more blessed than those who have seen.

 

[garee]

Nope.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

All means all. All need the Savior. Jesus blood was shed to atone for Mary just as it was for yours.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would add which it seems some avoid "And" continue to fall short of the unseen glory of God all the days of their life.

Corrupted flesh that ages leading towards destruction and returns to the dust proves something as a sign to the whole world . (God is not a man as us)

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans 1:18 -23

In that way being understood by the things that are made the temporal , we can rightly divide the parables . The key of how we can walk by faith.. . the unseen eternal. The 20/20 vision

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Timothy5378]

I have spent some years in Mexico preaching and one Day...Mary the movie came on and she was working all Jesus miracles...ouch...very sad and angering...the Antichrist in Daniel comes from the 4th beast...Rome...and Rev 17 and 18 is clear the Catholic church is the great whore on the beast...so pls...all this Mary Worship is making me sick....must we continue this sad sad thing with her

 

[garee]

The Bible does not state that Mary was without sin. There are not too many details about Mary in the Bible. Personally I do not think that Mary is just like any other godly woman. She was a pure woman of some sort. I believe she was born in sin because of the fall, but perhaps she was protected from sin, but nonetheless she needed a Savior. Throughout the ages people have seen apparitions of Mary, and I believe their accounts and that these people are not lying or hallucinating. It is important to note that while Catholics venerate Mary and pray to her as an intercessor, they do not worship her and only worship the Trinity. They are not denying Christ.

We should be careful "how" we hear or say we hear. . . who we hear .

Mary was a excellent example of a humble handmaid moved by the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in her earthen body .

Ultimately the goal of those who walk by sight as if the kingdom came by observing the temporal things. Like looking to the temporal flesh hoping corruption could profit. Even when Jesus says it does not. It like that of Catholicism makes the grace of Christ without effect.

Mary was blessed above all women. . . given a woman's blessing. . a great blessing and honor. Not a works righteousness she performed. But one with Christ (Emanuel) in her working with her to both will and do the good pleasure of God. She did not murmur and say what about me? Do I get some credit. But rather moved by the Holy Spirit did the work in honor of His name

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2: 13-14


Out of all the sinners in the world she had the honor of bringing the Son of man into the world. . She does not become the source of grace. And everyone else as Catholicism teaches. . . gets a unknown remnant as that which must be worked on after the spirit leaves their earthly body for another unknow remnant of time .Those kind of heresies or opinions do despite to the grace of God. All believers are highly favored out of all the sinners in the world. They receive the fulness of grace .Not a unknown remnant which Catholics through a law of their fathers (venerable men that lord it over faith, like the laws of the Jewish fathers.. Believers from the moment they are given the faith of Christ enabling us to believe in him not seen have received the fulness. .
Mary was blessed like any other mother that gives birth.. She who is dead asleep is not the one that blesses above all women. She in pain simply gave birth to the flesh as the Spirt enabled giving life to the body of Jesus.

.So in the same way from the same hand of blessing is Jael blessed above all women of the tents .

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

Handmaid = female slave one who does the loving will of the master.

Interestingly. Upon the hearing of faith the words inspired to Mary caused John to leap in the womb from birth showing the lord was with him the last Levite priest. And Elizbeth was also filling with the Spirit of Christ and prophesied . .

And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.Luke 1: 38- 44

According to thy word. Let there be and there was a new creation and God saw it was good.

 

[Jackson123]

Before sin a man never die, sin make men die, a man without sin live forever.

If Mary sinless she Will never die, and she must be still live now and preach the gospel.

 

[Timothy5378]

JESUS WAS SINLESS AND GOD AND HE DIED LOL

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Mary had her hands full with 4 other sons and at least 2 daughters .. She even lost track of Jesus one time ..
Mary was full of grace, a great Jewish mother and wife but with a husband and 7 kids or more how could she possibly be sinless, that would be the biggest miracle of all time ..

ummm

thing is, Mary was not yet married to Joseph when Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit

the rest of the kiddies came along after and I don't know how many children she had

she was not sinless at Jesus conception either

 

[Timothy5378]

I have had people(catholic) that say the cord between baby and Mary they shared blood etc..how could she have sin in her blood and it go to God...well it did lol...i have been told that Mary's Vagina was dirty and Jesus popped out her stomach by a Catholic...you see it just never ends with heresy...but you rebuke a hertic twice you let them go...i have prayed many times while preaching one on one with aggressive people and God will move them away or move me in there space...and He says...im in control here....im telling everyone...you read all day and night day after day to get it all from God's Word...all the 66 books KJV you will find a new life if you obey every verse...you miss something at one point you won't later...if you want it all. God promises all truth

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have had people(catholic) that say the cord between baby and Mary they shared blood etc..how could she have sin in her blood and it go to God...well it did lol...i have been told that Mary's Vagina was dirty and Jesus popped out her stomach by a Catholic...you see it just never ends with heresy...but you rebuke a hertic twice you let them go...i have prayed many times while preaching one on one with aggressive people and God will move them away or move me in there space...and He says...im in control here....im telling everyone...you read all day and night day after day to get it all from God's Word...all the 66 books KJV you will find a new life if you obey every verse...you miss something at one point you won't later...if you want it all. God promises all truth

TMI

 

[Timothy5378]

Well if people saw the half time show they can handle some truth about Catholic Lies....if we are on a Christian site and can't reach Catholics and Mormons...Adventists...He's etc...who are we then...its gross to God we would be thinking Mary sinless here...this is Christian Chat...not all ways lead to Christ....that Lie is so bad it's making no one to reach every one for all the cults and isms are saved now...but on judgement day...those that tried to reach the Catholics Mormons etc and warned them to stop and took flack for it go to a high place in heaven

 

[Jackson123]

JESUS WAS SINLESS AND GOD AND HE DIED LOL

Jesus die becouse of sin, not His sin but our sin

 

[bojack]

ummm

thing is, Mary was not yet married to Joseph when Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit

the rest of the kiddies came along after and I don't know how many children she had

she was not sinless at Jesus conception either

Ha, I know and isn't she supposed to be a perpetual virgin and sinless according to some .. And in the OT especially, child bearing was considered being blessed, she was blessed with at least 6 other children besides her first born

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ha, I know and isn't she supposed to be a perpetual virgin and sinless according to some .. And in the OT especially, child bearing was considered being blessed, she was blessed with at least 6 other children besides her first born

yeah I think Catholics do teach something about Mary being a perpetual virgin

makes your head spin

people should not follow anything blindly

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Well if people saw the half time show they can handle some truth about Catholic Lies....if we are on a Christian site and can't reach Catholics and Mormons...Adventists...He's etc...who are we then...its gross to God we would be thinking Mary sinless here...this is Christian Chat...not all ways lead to Christ....that Lie is so bad it's making no one to reach every one for all the cults and isms are saved now...but on judgement day...those that tried to reach the Catholics Mormons etc and warned them to stop and took flack for it go to a high place in heaven

 

[bojack]

ummm

thing is, Mary was not yet married to Joseph when Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit

the rest of the kiddies came along after and I don't know how many children she had

she was not sinless at Jesus conception either

Ha again, It just dawned on me what you were saying Bro .. Yes Mary ''give birth'' to at least 6 other children after Jesus and after she married Joseph .. There is a fairy tale that God loaded Mary down with responsibility to care for an old man husband who presented her with at least 6 stepchildren from a previously married perhaps widowed Joseph .. And that she was ever at any time sinless .. There's no way Simon bar Jonah would have preached/taught those crazy fables .. I believe Simon Magus the sorcerer would have though .. I don't believe Peter was ever in Rome to begin with ..

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ha again, It just dawned on me what you were saying Bro .. Yes Mary ''give birth'' to at least 6 other children after Jesus and after she married Joseph .. There is a fairy tale that God loaded Mary down with responsibility to care for an old man husband who presented her with at least 6 stepchildren from a previously married perhaps widowed Joseph .. And that she was ever at any time sinless .. There's no way Simon bar Jonah would have preached/taught those crazy fables .. I believe Simon Magus the sorcerer would have though .. I don't believe Peter was ever in Rome to begin with ..

nope. not yr bro which leaves one other choice

seems you know more about the Mary tales than I do but they sound ridiculous

wonder what she thinks of that?

 

[bojack]

nope. not yr bro which leaves one other choice

seems you know more about the Mary tales than I do but they sound ridiculous

wonder what she thinks of that?

Bro, I had been a born again Christian for 20 yrs or more when I become aware of this stuff .. It's incredible and incredibly hidden in plain sight .. It has to be spiritual strongholds to the max and enchantment imo .. But it does humble me kinda sorta to realize I could be vulnerable too if I don't keep careful watch ..