Was Charles Finney a Heretic?

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Was Charles Finney a heretic?

  • Yes, he was a heretic.

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  • No, he was not a heretic.

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  • I don't know.

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UnitedWithChrist

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Several important evangelical Christians have proclaimed Charles Finney to be a great hero with regards to spreading Christianity in the NorthEast.

These individuals include Chuck Smith and Billy Graham. Both of these men are sound believers, although I would disagree with them in some non-essential areas.

Anyways, is it true that Charles Finney was a great evangelist?

My response: NO.

He was trained as a lawyer, and used his carnal knowledge to formulate a theology that appeals to man. Man wants to think he earns his salvation through works, and man cannot understand naturally how another man's works (Jesus) can be given to him as a free gift. Charles Finney denied the biblical teachings in this area and created a Pelagian system, which is based on human reasoning and human works. It does not exalt the LORD Jesus as Savior, but merely makes him a moral example.

And, I am shocked that Chuck Smith and Billy Graham would endorse such a wolf in sheep's clothing. I am wondering if either one of them actually read his teachings in depth. I think they were just relying on the claim that Finney produced a lot of "converts" (by the way, within a short period of time, most of his "converts" fell away, and the general area he preached was the breeding ground for various cults including Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Mormonism, and Seventh Day Adventism).

And, there are several "evangelists" who work from his belief system. They visit campuses around the USA and attempt to perpetuate their belief system. These include Jesse Morrell, Kerrigan Skelly, Jed Smock, Dean Saxton, Mitch Metzger, Clarence "Bro Cope" Cope, and various other street/campus preachers. They are particularly well known for accusing young men on campus of homosexuality and masturbation, and young women of being promiscuous, randomly and without any justification.

If you doubt me, watch some videos..particularly Clarence "Bro Cope" Cope at UofA. There is a four part video series on Youtube where he is issuing these kinds of claims to young people passing him.

The good news is that they have few converts. That is because all they really preach is condemnation and wrath, and little grace and mercy.

This is because they deny core evangelical teachings, including justification by faith alone, imputed righteousness, original sin, and substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the Cross. They teach that the believer must remain sinless during his lifetime.

Sometimes their denial is through re-definition. For instance, they may claim that Jesus' sacrifice justified the believer, but that's only a one-time event, and after that, you must be re-justified each time you sin. So, they re-define terms in an attempt to fool folks into thinking they are orthodox, but it is a simple shell game.

Make no mistake..I believe that God's wrath and condemnation against sinners is a core element of the gospel. One must hear the bad news before they can appreciate the good news. But, the kind of smut talk and accusations these guys use is actually a negative witness toward Christianity.

Anyways, the poll is simple..was Charles Finney a heretic, or not? Have you run across such individuals?

Also, real Christians should realize that Charles Finney's theology is the absolute last place you should go for sound Christian beliefs. Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology is representative of evangelical Christian beliefs.

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mailmandan

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Several important evangelical Christians have proclaimed Charles Finney to be a great hero with regards to spreading Christianity in the NorthEast.

These individuals include Chuck Smith and Billy Graham. Both of these men are sound believers, although I would disagree with them in some non-essential areas.

Anyways, is it true that Charles Finney was a great evangelist?

My response: NO.

He was trained as a lawyer, and used his carnal knowledge to formulate a theology that appeals to man. Man wants to think he earns his salvation through works, and man cannot understand naturally how another man's works (Jesus) can be given to him as a free gift. Charles Finney denied the biblical teachings in this area and created a Pelagian system, which is based on human reasoning and human works. It does not exalt the LORD Jesus as Savior, but merely makes him a moral example.

And, I am shocked that Chuck Smith and Billy Graham would endorse such a wolf in sheep's clothing.......
I've heard the name "Charles Finney" mentioned before on Christian Chat by someone who set out to use him as an example of someone who was saved and lost their salvation.

In regards to being shocked that Chuck Smith and Billy Graham would endorse such a wolf in sheep's clothing, just look at Judas Iscariot. When Jesus said that one of his disciples would betray him, nobody stood up and said it will be Judas Iscariot because obviously to the other remaining disciples, Judas looked like the real deal, yet Jesus knew his heart and said, "he is a devil!" (John 6:70)

He was trained as a lawyer, and used his carnal knowledge to formulate a theology that appeals to man.
That explains a lot!
 

UnitedWithChrist

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I've heard the name "Charles Finney" mentioned before on Christian Chat by someone who set out to use him as an example of someone who was saved and lost their salvation.

In regards to being shocked that Chuck Smith and Billy Graham would endorse such a wolf in sheep's clothing, just look at Judas Iscariot. When Jesus said that one of his disciples would betray him, nobody stood up and said it will be Judas Iscariot because obviously to the other remaining disciples, Judas looked like the real deal, yet Jesus knew his heart and said, "he is a devil!" (John 6:70)

That explains a lot!
I doubt Finney was saved in the first place, to be honest.

His reasoning is carnal and he was old enough to have repented from that.

Good point about Judas Israriot.

It is pretty funny that Finney hated pastors that were educated, but then he goes on to become the president of a seminary. I guess it's only if you are equipped to identify wolves that your education is bad.

He would go into towns and discredit the pastors with a better education, promoting his New Methods, and then evangelize...moving on to the next town. This left his alleged converts with no one to disciple them, because the local pastors had been discredited.

This is why the Northeast areas where he preached are known as the "burned out district". Most of them fell away and were cynical. This created a vacuum where cults could arise.

By the way, even though he claimed he could convince anyone of the gospel and exact a confession within 20 minutes, his own daughters didn't become believers, unless it was very late in life. He lamented this fact while he was at Oberlin as their president.
 
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Several important evangelical Christians have proclaimed Charles Finney to be a great hero with regards to spreading Christianity in the NorthEast.

These individuals include Chuck Smith and Billy Graham. Both of these men are sound believers, although I would disagree with them in some non-essential areas.

Anyways, is it true that Charles Finney was a great evangelist?

My response: NO.

He was trained as a lawyer, and used his carnal knowledge to formulate a theology that appeals to man. Man wants to think he earns his salvation through works, and man cannot understand naturally how another man's works (Jesus) can be given to him as a free gift. Charles Finney denied the biblical teachings in this area and created a Pelagian system, which is based on human reasoning and human works. It does not exalt the LORD Jesus as Savior, but merely makes him a moral example.

And, I am shocked that Chuck Smith and Billy Graham would endorse such a wolf in sheep's clothing. I am wondering if either one of them actually read his teachings in depth. I think they were just relying on the claim that Finney produced a lot of "converts" (by the way, within a short period of time, most of his "converts" fell away, and the general area he preached was the breeding ground for various cults including Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Mormonism, and Seventh Day Adventism).

And, there are several "evangelists" who work from his belief system. They visit campuses around the USA and attempt to perpetuate their belief system. These include Jesse Morrell, Kerrigan Skelly, Jed Smock, Dean Saxton, Mitch Metzger, Clarence "Bro Cope" Cope, and various other street/campus preachers. They are particularly well known for accusing young men on campus of homosexuality and masturbation, and young women of being promiscuous, randomly and without any justification.

If you doubt me, watch some videos..particularly Clarence "Bro Cope" Cope at UofA. There is a four part video series on Youtube where he is issuing these kinds of claims to young people passing him.

The good news is that they have few converts. That is because all they really preach is condemnation and wrath, and little grace and mercy.

This is because they deny core evangelical teachings, including justification by faith alone, imputed righteousness, original sin, and substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the Cross. They teach that the believer must remain sinless during his lifetime.

Sometimes their denial is through re-definition. For instance, they may claim that Jesus' sacrifice justified the believer, but that's only a one-time event, and after that, you must be re-justified each time you sin. So, they re-define terms in an attempt to fool folks into thinking they are orthodox, but it is a simple shell game.

Make no mistake..I believe that God's wrath and condemnation against sinners is a core element of the gospel. One must hear the bad news before they can appreciate the good news. But, the kind of smut talk and accusations these guys use is actually a negative witness toward Christianity.

Anyways, the poll is simple..was Charles Finney a heretic, or not? Have you run across such individuals?

Also, real Christians should realize that Charles Finney's theology is the absolute last place you should go for sound Christian beliefs. Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology is representative of evangelical Christian beliefs.

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Wayne is a Charismatic = not representative of Evangelical beliefs.
 
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I also question Billy Graham's Finney based gospel. I think God saves whom he will. Even those who hear a distorted gospel. But I can't help believing Bill planted more tares in the Kingdom than true believers.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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Grudem is a Charismatic. Evangelicals are not. I don't think Charismatics can be called such since they are not sola scriptura.
Ah ok...I guess that's one position you could take. I consider them to be mixed up evangelicals :)
 

UnitedWithChrist

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https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Pentecostalism-Its-Roots-Slavery/dp/1500858080

MacArthur and David Cloud have excellent histories on Pentecostalism too.
Finney wasn't a Pentecostal, by the way..he was into emotionalism, though, because he was ministering in the frontier where people were largely uneducated and wanted to have a "good time" at the camp meetings. That is part of why his New Methods were effective in the short term, but most of his "believers" fell away.

I realize you were commenting on Grudem..I just want to make it clear that Finney was not Pentecostal. All kinds of weird things went on during his "evangelism" meetings though.