Is satan a fallen angel?

[JeremiahsCup]

He doesn’t realize the language regarding dragon is not literal but figurative.

Well you have it backwards, I realize the Bible always describes Satan as literally a serpent, a dragon.

Well then, how can you ignore the meaning in the following scripture:

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Obviously, the devil is another moniker identifying Satan, which also reveals that he has angels. How then can you say that they are not fallen, if everlasting fire was prepared for them?

I think that you will continue to reject anything that is proven to you, because it would mean that you would have to admit to being wrong.

Well of course Satan will corrupt a third of the angels, that doesn't mean he is an angel. Satan has corrupted millions of men, that doesn't he is a man. Satan corrupted the woman first, that doesn't mean he is a woman.

Many have tried, but so far no one has ever proven that the Bible is wrong.

Fallen angels = demons, unclean spirits, principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places

This is incorrect. The demons are indeed evil spirits, but they are not angels. Even angels have a spirit as the beginning of the book of Ezekiel shows. There are two rounds of fallen angels described in the Bible; those that fell before the Flood and which are now in chains of darkness ad the second round of fallen angels, the 1/3rd which will take Satan's side in the time of the Apocalypse to come.

Demons/unclean spirits are the breath of the dragon named Satan. The Three Lies the dragon told back in the Garden are the spirit of the demons and are themselves the first three demons as we see in Revelation 16.

 

[Jerzy]

He was an anointed cherub.

Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

You assume it is about satan yet it clearly is about Hiram. Please read the Bible.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

You assume it is about satan yet it clearly is about Hiram. Please read the Bible.

Yes you are correct. It is in line with the time of Tyre's trade endeavors with King Solomon which made both kingdoms fabulously wealthy in earthly wealth as is described in the book of the Kings, however by the multitude of their riches and the mingling with the heathen these once brilliant kings fell from the knowledge of God Most High.

 

[JesusLives]

That verse is not about Satan. That verse is about the King of Tyre as indicated by verse 12. Tyre was an ancient very famous and a very wealthy city in the ancient world. It would be in what is today presently Lebanon, so very close to Israel. The Bible and other historical records indicate the Tyrians were mostly merchants made very wealthy mostly for their product known as Tyrian Purple, a very very rare dye in the ancient world favored by the nobility of many different kingdoms. The Tyrians were racially Canaanites, specifically of the course of Sidon (son of Canaan, and also a city-state in its own right later on.) Sidon is also mentioned in this prophecy by Ezekiel in this chapter and the next few chapters.

The ultimate fate of Tyre was that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, destroyed the land settlement of Tyre, but the Tyrians created a Tyre in the middle of the sea which escaped destruction (this is both in secular history as well as a prophecy the biblical book of Zechariah). In accordance to the prophecies, the Tyre in the sea would not escape destruction and the third beast king Alexander would eventually build a causeway to the Tyre in the sea and ultimately destroy it.

Have a couple of questions for you... When was the King of Tyre an Anointed Cherub covered in gem stones? In Ezekiel 28 and when was he thrown down from heaven?

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Have a couple of questions for you... When was the King of Tyre an Anointed Cherub covered in gem stones? In Ezekiel 28 and when was he thrown down from heaven?

When God made him he was brilliant and God made him good. But because of the multitude of his earthly riches he was cast down and Tyre was cursed with all of Sidon to be destroyed by the mighty of the heathens. This is much in line with following chapters of Ezekiel wherein Pharaoh King of Egypt was a beautiful tree in the Garden of Eden whom sought jealously to become a mighty tree like the King of Assyria and did not remember that the Lord God cut down the mighty cedar of Assyria and so too was the tree of Eden that is Pharaoh cut down and thrown into hell.

 

[Adstar]

Yes, the king of Tyre is a metaphor for Satan.

I believe the king of Tyre was possessed by satan.. So the message to the king of Tyre was also a message to the Spirit that was prepossessing him..

 

[JeremiahsCup]

I believe the king of Tyre was possessed by satan.. So the message to the king of Tyre was also a message to the Spirit that was prepossessing him..

This is not a bad view, all that are evil are owned by Satan. When they conform to his lies they become his children. To the opposite, when one inclines himself towards truth he is set free by God. The King of Tyre was made good, but then the riches of the world blinded him and he began to believe in a lie, that he could ascend to be great as God or even greater. But alas it was a lie and Tyre was so thoroughly destroyed as God truly spoke that it is little more than a legend that few people today know or remember.

One could say the Bible and even wider reality is something of a war of words between God and the Devil; truth versus lies. This theme resounds much throughout the Bible Though many will succumb to the lies breathed out by the dragon, the truth of God will always prevail in the end.

 

[Jerzy]

No Church would allow you on a pulpit unless you lie that satan is a fallen angel?

I got it.

But didn't God instruct Christians to say exactly as it is written.

Well, didn't Jesus call Peter satan?

Of course a pulpit man has to "explain" that it isn't true.

It looks like Churches are to frighten people with a monster to offer them protection for money.

This "trick" has been known for centuries not only in the Christianity where Catholics had to murder millions to make their theologies accepted. This "trick" has been practiced by politicians with great success.

 

[Adstar]

No Church would allow you on a pulpit unless you lie that satan is a fallen angel?

The fallen angels fell or more accurately where barred from heaven early on in the account of Genesis these Angels came down to earth and took human woman and they had offspring with them.. For this they where cast down into the bottomless pit ( which i believe is a separate place to Hell ) they shall be released just before the return of Jesus as part of Gods wrath upon the earth..

The Angels transgress..

Genesis 6: KJV
1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, {2} That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. {3} And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. {4} There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The Angels imprisoned..

Jude 1: KJV
6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The Angels released for a short time..

Revelation 9: KJV
1"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. {6} And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. {7} And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. {8} And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. {9} And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. {10} And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. {11} And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Satan of course has had free range but will eventually at the return of Jesus be enchained and cast into the same bottomless pit these angels are released from during the times just before the return of Jesus..

Revelation 20: KJV
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, {3} And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

 

[JesusLives]

When God made him he was brilliant and God made him good. But because of the multitude of his earthly riches he was cast down and Tyre was cursed with all of Sidon to be destroyed by the mighty of the heathens. This is much in line with following chapters of Ezekiel wherein Pharaoh King of Egypt was a beautiful tree in the Garden of Eden whom sought jealously to become a mighty tree like the King of Assyria and did not remember that the Lord God cut down the mighty cedar of Assyria and so too was the tree of Eden that is Pharaoh cut down and thrown into hell.

Sometimes in the Bible there are dual things being talked about. Example is Matthew 24 when disciples asking when these things come about. Jesus was not only talking about time in their days but also signs of the end times. Why to you feel Ezekiel is also not a dual discussion because again the King of Tyre was never a covering cherub. Lucifer was.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

No Church would allow you on a pulpit unless you lie that satan is a fallen angel?

I got it.

But didn't God instruct Christians to say exactly as it is written.

Well, didn't Jesus call Peter satan?

Of course a pulpit man has to "explain" that it isn't true.

It looks like Churches are to frighten people with a monster to offer them protection for money.

This "trick" has been known for centuries not only in the Christianity where Catholics had to murder millions to make their theologies accepted. This "trick" has been practiced by politicians with great success.

Well just tell them so that they have no excuse at the Judgement Day and if they adamantly thrust you out from them then shake the dust off your feet in front of them as a testimony against them so that in the day of the end the Lord Jesus will make their torment worse than the torment of Gomorrah.

Sometimes in the Bible there are dual things being talked about. Example is Matthew 24 when disciples asking when these things come about. Jesus was not only talking about time in their days but also signs of the end times. Why to you feel Ezekiel is also not a dual discussion because again the King of Tyre was never a covering cherub. Lucifer was.

There is no dual meaning in Matthew 24. Jesus is talking about the end and the signs that precede the end.

Ezekiel 28 does not have a dual meaning. The King of Tyre was a covering cherub just like Pharaoh and the King Assyria were trees in the Garden of Eden in Ezekiel 31.

The epithet of Lucifer is never applied to the dragon named Satan and Devil in the entirety of the Bible. Satan is never called an angel, fallen or otherwise, in the entirety of the Bible. What we have instead is the Bible writers identify him as a beast of the field, a serpent, a dragon that is called by two names; Satan and Devil. The myth that Satan was an angel that fell before the fall is not in the entirety of the Bible, and if you really think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. Rather the Bible tells us that the fall happened when Satan, the serpent, spoke the Three Lies to the woman and beguiled her. These two narratives, the myth that Satan is an angel blasphemously named Lucifer, and the truth written in the Bible that Satan is an evil lying dragon, are quite at odds with each other. One has to be a lie and one has to be the truth, either the Lucifer Myth is true and the Bible is a lie or else the Bible is true and the Lucifer myth is a lie. The two stories really cannot coexist, one has to choose eventually whether they want to believes a myth propagated by dead men or the truth written in the Bible that is inspired by the Living God.

And I say this not as harsh as it may sound in text, but I also had to cross that bridge and accept the truth of God myself, and I thank you Father God for guiding me to your holy scriptures that reveal all the truth about everything you created.

 

[bojack]

Yes, he will be thrown out of heaven very soon where he accuses the saints day and night before the throne of God. Rejoice oh heavens, but great woe to the inhabitants of the earth and sea.



Serpent and dragon are not his names, but are what he really is. Satan and Devil are the names he is called. It is no parable. Every scripture about Satan will address him as Satan or Devil. Ezekiel 28 is not about Satan, but is about the King of Tyre and how by his earthly riches his heart became corrupted against the knowledge of the Lord God Most High.



You are correct. The only mention about Satan before the fall is he is the most subtle beast of the field which Lord God created. The chapter then details Satan telling the woman the Three Lies and the subsequent fall of creation on account of mankind conforming to the Three Lies.

Who is it that possesses men that we have authority to cast out in Jesus name .. Jesus cast out a legion of demons from a man and allowed them to possess a herd of swine .. And some devils make deals ''sell your soul'' to give you what you want if you will ignore Jesus and bow down to serve them instead .. It is not a game .. Do you think David Berkowitz didn't hear Satan talking and thought a dog was speaking to him .. BTW he claims he received Jesus as his savior in prison and has a ministry last I heard ..

I think Job 1:6 ''sons of God'' was talking about Job's sons when they observed one of their feast days and Satan entered in with them ..
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

 

[Dave-L]

Here is some biblical information which identifies Satan and his angels as fallen:

"Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Do you still have any doubts that Satan is a fallen angel?

By the way, both Ezekiel 28:13 and Isaiah 14:12 are about Satan. The reference to the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28:13, is referring to Satan as the principality behind the human king of Tyre, that is unless you think the human king of Tyre was the covering and guardian cherup (angel) in the garden of Eden with every precious stone covering him.

How do you bind a spirit with a chain?

 

[bojack]

How do you bind a spirit with a chain?

A spirit chain

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Who is it that possesses men that we have authority to cast out in Jesus name .. Jesus cast out a legion of demons from a man and allowed them to possess a herd of swine .. And some devils make deals ''sell your soul'' to give you what you want if you will ignore Jesus and bow down to serve them instead .. It is not a game .. Do you think David Berkowitz didn't hear Satan talking and thought a dog was speaking to him .. BTW he claims he received Jesus as his savior in prison and has a ministry last I heard ..

I think Job 1:6 ''sons of God'' was talking about Job's sons when they observed one of their feast days and Satan entered in with them ..
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Well the demons are Satan's twisted corrupting dragon breath, his lies. You will notice in the book of Revelation how it says there three froglike spirits that proceed out of the dragon's mouth, the false prophet's mouth, and the beasts mouth. These are the spirits of the devils, they are the Three Lies that old serpent told at the beginning, and we know the dragon will give his power, which is to lie, to the false prophet and the beast.

Now what is possession? It is to be owned. What is a devil/demon? It means literally a lie. So demon possession is when men are owned by Satan's lies. The son of Sam is a good example. He was owned by lies, as you note, the lie that a dog was speaking to him. The tormented man with the Legion was owned by what? A whole host of lies! When the Lord Jesus cast the legion of lies out of him, what happened? He returned to his right mind.

As for Job, the sons of God in that passage are the angels. As the story goes Satan comes with the angels one day to accuse Job before the throne of God and to essentially lie to God's face. The book of Job continues with the war between the dragon's lies and God's truth over Job. Satan is permitted to destroy Job's family, but Job will not curse God. Satan returns to lie to God some more and forges the lie of "skin for skin" and says Job will curse God for sure if God reaches his hand out and curses his very flesh and so God lets Job be directly afflicted but Job will not repent of his belief in God. Then Satan even sends Job's three friends to tell Job such sweet little elaborate lies to provoke him so sorely. Yet Job will not repent of his belief in God and rebukes his lying friends. Job speaks foolishly, but Job never blasphemes the Lord. Finally Elihu speaks the truth to Job and then God himself speaks to Job and his three friends and heals Job and commands his three friends to do a sacrifice of penance. God restores to Job everything that the Devil took from him. In the end God's truth prevails over Satan's lies in the book of Job, and indeed throughout the entire Bible because God is the Almighty One.

 

[Dave-L]

A spirit chain

DO you think this could be a symbol and not literal? Is the Red Dragon literal? The green horse?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Well as for the OP I cannot say, he merely posed the topic and a question.

For myself, I read the whole of the holy scriptures and indeed I found exactly what the OP found, that contrary to popular misconception there is no place in all of the Bible that says Satan is an angel fallen or otherwise. What I found instead was that the holy men of God that wrote the Bible describes the Devil as an animal, a dragon.

You aren't really understanding how prophecy works. It doesn't matter if you read the whole Bible if you aren't discerning through the Holy Spirit. Some people study the prophets for a lifetime. You should take some instruction. It's a deep and fascinating study.

Read the first chapter of Job again please. Satan (The Adversary) appears before the Lord and speaks to him to accuse Job.
The adversary is not an animal.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

You aren't really understanding how prophecy works. It doesn't matter if you read the whole Bible if you aren't discerning through the Holy Spirit. Some people study the prophets for a lifetime. You should take some instruction. It's a deep and fascinating study.

Read the first chapter of Job again please. Satan (The Adversary) appears before the Lord and speaks to him to accuse Job.
The adversary is not an animal.

Satan is an animal. Satan is never called an angel in the whole of the Bible. I have actually just finished typing a summary of the book of Job. I would add that right there in the book of Job it shows you there is a distinction between the angels and Satan as it says, "and Satan came also among them."

Indeed one must ask God for understanding to understand the Bible, and that is what I did when I read the whole of the Bible and God indeed showed me the truth. The heresy of Satan being an angel is not in the Bible, but is rather derived from the traditions of dead men. Praise God for he is the God of wisdom and understanding.

 

[bojack]

Well the demons are Satan's twisted corrupting dragon breath, his lies. You will notice in the book of Revelation how it says there three froglike spirits that proceed out of the dragon's mouth, the false prophet's mouth, and the beasts mouth. These are the spirits of the devils, they are the Three Lies that old serpent told at the beginning, and we know the dragon will give his power, which is to lie, to the false prophet and the beast.

Now what is possession? It is to be owned. What is a devil/demon? It means literally a lie. So demon possession is when men are owned by Satan's lies. The son of Sam is a good example. He was owned by lies, as you note, the lie that a dog was speaking to him. The tormented man with the Legion was owned by what? A whole host of lies! When the Lord Jesus cast the legion of lies out of him, what happened? He returned to his right mind.

As for Job, the sons of God in that passage are the angels. As the story goes Satan comes with the angels one day to accuse Job before the throne of God and to essentially lie to God's face. The book of Job continues with the war between the dragon's lies and God's truth over Job. Satan is permitted to destroy Job's family, but Job will not curse God. Satan returns to lie to God some more and forges the lie of "skin for skin" and says Job will curse God for sure if God reaches his hand out and curses his very flesh and so God lets Job be directly afflicted but Job will not repent of his belief in God. Then Satan even sends Job's three friends to tell Job such sweet little elaborate lies to provoke him so sorely. Yet Job will not repent of his belief in God and rebukes his lying friends. Job speaks foolishly, but Job never blasphemes the Lord. Finally Elihu speaks the truth to Job and then God himself speaks to Job and his three friends and heals Job and commands his three friends to do a sacrifice of penance. God restores to Job everything that the Devil took from him. In the end God's truth prevails over Satan's lies in the book of Job, and indeed throughout the entire Bible because God is the Almighty One.

The devil is a liar, and very convincing to those who entertain him .... 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

The devil is a liar, and very convincing to those who entertain him .... 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Indeed. Satan is such a pathetically weak animal that really he only has one inherent power, which the power of the lie. So one can see the wisdom in James' words when he says to resist the Devil. If you resist his lies, just like our Lord Jesus, he cannot really do anything to you.