Of course you can.
But you can't remain sealed when you are in unbelief.
There's a big difference between the sinning saint, and the former saint who has departed in unbelief.
Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?
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But you can't remain sealed when you are in unbelief.
There's a big difference between the sinning saint, and the former saint who has departed in unbelief.
2 Timothy 2
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: suffering persecution gains us the right to reign with the Lord on earth for a thousand years. If we deny Him because we don’t want to suffer persecution, He will deny us the privilege to reign with Him.
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. If one does not believe, Jesus remains faithful to His promise, for the one is in Him, He cannot deny those who are in Him.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
I've known several lovely, genuinely saved blood Jews.
You're not wasting your time entirely if you witness to a Jew.
God has ALWAYS had a remnant in Israel.
You may be the instrument through which God brings them to himself.
Maybe even by praying for them to be healed of some physical ailment!
God, give us the courage to find out!
Seriously, where do you come with this nonsense?
No, seriously.
Unbelievers are not saved.
Twenty-five years ago it was inconceivable to even be having this debate.
Yes, a remnant, but as a whole, the nation of Israel has rejected Jesus Christ.
The KJV! Do I really need to post all the scriptures where God conditioned Israel to believe His word through signs?
I've come to the conclusion it's simply a matter of forming doctrine from a purely natural point of view.
I’m truly astounded at all the pseudo doctrine that is presented on a Christian forum. It’s actually quite sad.
Very well could be. Also, it could be a case of mixing Biblical scripture with external sources.
Anything that doesn’t line up with your beliefs, right? You could never be wrong or haven’t heard something before that’s valid.
He is still faithful to us even if we are faithless to him.
12if we endure,
we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him,
He will also deny us;
13if we are faithless,
He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself.
2 Timothy 2:12-13
What you are ignoring is there has to be a difference between 'being faithless' and 'denying him'.
He will deny you if you deny him. But he will not deny you if you are faithless.
That tells you right there that denying him and being faithless aren't the same thing.
Follow this closely:
How can Paul say 'denying him' means not being able to reign with him, and then turn right around and say Christ can not deny us?
Oh stop. That whole “Your belief” drivel has exited the building. You’re essentially denying the heart of Christian theism which has stood for nearly 2000 years. It’s bordering on Hersey.
I remember when I first heard the 'dual gospel/kingdom/not rightly dividing the word' doctrine years ago. Since I was a voracious reader of the Bible I was able to instantly recognize the error of it. The whole counsel of the scriptures reveals the falseness of that misguided doctrine.
I personally have learned a lot of new things by listening to people talk about things and view points outside of my doctrinal box. This just ain't one of them. It's too easily debunked by the scriptures themselves.
If we endure what? This endurance of suffering earns the believer’s right to reign with Him. That’s the context of verse 12.
If we believe not, it doesn’t make us not in Christ. Christ cannot deny those who are in Him.