Where in scripture are instructions to cancel the feasts?

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Dino246

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uh? no...Jeremiah is actually pretty wordy

nope

I do not accept your twisting of what I said so I am just going to avoid the pain of trying to get it right with you

you are good in math though apparently

well I did get an 85 in my last class, but then I quit...while I was ahead...and goofed off in art class instead



pretty good, eh?
That's a great... um... sheep...dog?

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Whispered

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uh? no...Jeremiah is actually pretty wordy

nope

I do not accept your twisting of what I said so I am just going to avoid the pain of trying to get it right with you

you are good in math though apparently

well I did get an 85 in my last class, but then I quit...while I was ahead...and goofed off in art class instead



pretty good, eh?
It's a chicken! No, no, that's not it. Poodle! No, not that either. Whacked lamb ! Therrrre ya go. :p (come to think of it, I've been called worse.:ROFL:)
 

Ahwatukee

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When we honor the feast days it has absolutely nothing to do with any fulfillment, it is celebrating the salvation that God has given us.
If the keeping of the Sabbath and the feasts were required for salvation, then it would have been reiterated over and over again throughout the new testament. Yet, we see no command regarding the keeping of these. Likewise, if we were required to keep these, then you would think that Jesus would have mentioned it somewhere in the letters to the seven churches. Yet once again, there is no reference to the feast or the Sabbath.

As I said in the earlier post, you are free to observe the feasts and keep the Sabbath, just don't do it as a requirement for salvation.

"Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people."

If believers in Christ are required to keep the Sabbath (which is apart of the law), then as the scripture above states, Anyone who doesn't keep it must be put to death, or is that part of it to be left out? If we are to apply the above to our covenant under Christ, to not keep the Sabbath would infer that it was a condition of our salvation, i.e. by not observing it we would be lose our salvation.
 
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  • Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur): "Yom Kippur" is the "Day of Atonement." It is a Shabbat/High Holy Day on which we fast, repent and bare our souls to YHWH, asking Him to forgive us anything we may have done throughout the year that was not pleasing to Him: This solemn day represents the need for the sacrifice/sin offering that must be made for the sins of the nation.

    Yeshua, of course, WAS that "Sacrifice" (actually, "Offering" is a better word, because no one "sacrificed" him; he martyred himself), and he will be recognized for it at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which may (judging by how close together the Fall Festivals are) take place immediately after Rosh Hashana/Trumpets/the "catching-up of YHWH's people" just BEFORE we all return with him, to fulfill the next Feast (Tabernacles), wherein Yeshua will "tabernacle" among us for the next thousand years!

    Celebrated on Tishri 10, this mo'ed falls in the September/October time frame. Leviticus 16:29 tells us: "It is to be a permanent regulation for you that on the tenth day of the seventh month you are to deny yourselves and not to do any kind of work, both the citizen and the foreigner living with you. For on this day, atonement will be made for you to purify you; you will be clean before ADONAI from all your sins. It is a Shabbat of complete rest for you, and you are to deny yourselves. This is a permanent regulation."

  • Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot): As seen in Leviticus 23: 33-37, Sukkot is celebrated five days after Yom Kippur. This Appointed Time not only reminds us of the hardships of Israel's 40 years in the wilderness but also with insight into the correct birth date of our awesome Messiah, Yeshua, who was born on the first day of Sukkot (not on the 25th of December, which is a Christian myth!), and circumcised on the eighth day. Both the first and last days are High Holy Days, where no ordinary work is to be done.

    Because there was no room at the inn due to the census (Luke 2:7), Miriam and Yosef (Mary and Josef) ended up in a "sukkah" - a temporary dwelling in Bethlehem - approximately 5 miles from Jerusalem. The name Bethlehem means "House Of Bread". And as we all know, Y'shua is the Bread of Life" (see John 6:43-51).

    YHWH commanded this yearly festival to be kept by His people. (Remember, "His people" refers not only to the Jews, but to ALL who accept Him as their God.) For further info on "how to celebrate" this awesome Appointed Time, check out our website's article.

    Leviticus 23: 33 ADONAI said to Moshe, 34 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'On the fifteenth day of this seventh month is the feast of Sukkot for seven days to ADONAI. 35 On the first day there is to be a holy convocation; do not do any kind of ordinary work. 36 For seven days you are to bring an offering made by fire to ADONAI; on the eighth day you are to have a holy convocation and bring an offering made by fire to ADONAI ; it is a day of public assembly; do not do any kind of ordinary work. 37 "'These are the designated times of ADONAI that you are to proclaim as holy convocations and bring an offering made by fire to ADONAI -a burnt offering, a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, each on its own day - 38 besides the Shabbats of ADONAI, your gifts, all your vows and all your voluntary offerings that you give to ADONAI.

    In Deuteronomy 16:13 - 15, YHWH tells the Israelites: "You are to keep the festival of Sukkot for seven days after you have gathered the produce of your threshing-floor and winepress. Rejoice at your festival - you, your sons and daughters, your male and female slaves, the L'vi'im (Levites), and the foreigners, orphans and widows living among you. Seven days you are to keep the festival for ADONAI your God in the place ADONAI your God will choose, because ADONAI your God will bless you in all your crops and in all your work, so you are to be full of joy!

PLEASE NOTE that the first three major events for believers in Yeshua - His death, burial and resurrection - exactly represent the first three feasts, and the symbolism of the feasts appears to be beyond coincidence:


  • While Passover was being celebrated - which included the slaying of an unblemished Lamb - Yeshua was being slain on the cross (1 Cor 5:7).
  • The feast that followed, Unleavened Bread, is a picture of sanctification, as Yeshua was buried. Leaven is representative of sin, of which Yeshua had none.
  • And then the feast of Firstfruits, which is a presentation of the "firstfruits of the crop" following the feast of Unleavened Bread (Lev 23:10-11). Yeshua, "presented" on our behalf, is our Firstfruits. See 1 Cor 15:20-23 "But now the Mashiyach has risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. And as by a man came death, so also by a man came the resurrection of the dead. For as it was by Adam that all men die, so also by the Mashiyach they all live: Everyone in his order; the Mashiyach was the first-fruits; afterwards, they that are the Mashiyach???s, at his coming."
  • Even more interesting, the next big event for believers was the coming of the Holy Spirit. And it fell EXACTLY on the next feast 50 days later, upon completion of the counting of the Omer (Leviticus 23:15-16), on Shavuot (what Christians call Pentecost). On that day the Ruach haKodesh decended on the believers, see Acts 2:1. The symbolism is again obvious as two loaves of bread are offered - another "firstfruits" (Leviticus 23:17) - which become "holy" (Leviticus 23:20) and we become eligible to receive the Ruach haKodesh when we repent, see Acts 2:38.

Since Yeshua has fulfilled the first four Biblical feasts, we can probably assume that the next big event - the so-called "Rapture" - could fall on the next scheduled feast day, Rosh Hashanah ("Jewish Civil New Year"/Feast of Trumpets), when YHWH calls his people together. Rosh Hashanah is the first day of the month of Tishrei, the seventh month of the Hebrew religious calendar as ordained in the Torah, in Leviticus 23:24. It is the first of the High Holy Days or Yamim Noraim ("Days of Awe"), or Asseret Yemei Teshuva (The Ten Days of Repentance) which are days specifically set aside to focus on repentance that conclude with the holiday of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement - when we become "at-one" with YHWH).


Rosh Hashanah is the start of the civil year in the Hebrew calendar which was instituted by YHWH Himself in Exodus 12:2. Rosh Hashanah is observed as a day of rest (Leviticus 23:24) and is characterized by the blowing of the shofar, a trumpet made from a ram's horn, intended to awaken the listener from his or her "slumber" and alert them to the coming judgment.


The Final Feast to be fulfilled is Sukkot/Tabernacles, when Yeshua will once again come to "tabernacle" among His people!


There is, of course, much more to YHWH's feasts, but the bottom line is: Judging from the importance that HE placed on His Biblical feasts, why would anyone think "Jesus abolished them"?
Why don't you make a really long post, so it has to be done in two posts. Maybe three.
 

posthuman

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One could argue that the 70AD total destruction of the temple, and the scattering of Israel hence forth into the world could be a direct order to end all of the traditions and laws surrounding Judaism.
i don't think you can successfully argue that bro.

this isn't the first instance in history that the temple was destroyed and the people exiled; if the destruction of the temple and the removal of the people from the land was sufficient criteria to establish that a command to abandon the law of the Sinai covenant had been issued, then the Babylonian captivity equally qualifies as such criteria. to say the events of 70 AD should be construed as 'a direct order' to end the law of Judaism is tantamount to saying the rebuilding of the temple and re-institution of the law, the feasts, the worship and the sacrifices was evil.

Jeremiah, contemporary to the time of the exile, doesn't say this -- he writes,

Therefore this is what the LORD says:
"If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve Me"
(Jeremiah 15:19)
it is the cross that ends the law of Moses. already by saying 'new covenant' at the last seder He made it obsolete -- close to 40 years before the Romans razed the temple grounds, the veil had torn. the destruction at that time was proof to the Jews of something, but the proof that the covenant made at Horeb was no more happened as soon as the holy of holies was uncovered, and no bright cloud of glory was seen there - instead darkness covered the land for a space of hours.

i mean -- a person could make that argument, but it would fall apart if they were to. ;)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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this thread reminds me of a Civil War reenactment even though I have never seen one

but I did do a big paper on the American Civil war back in independent studies in High School

very messy and terribly sad
 

Ahwatukee

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When we honor the feast days it has absolutely nothing to do with any fulfillment, it is celebrating the salvation that God has given us.
Believers celebrate the salvation that God has given us by having faith in His Son, taking up our crosses daily and baring much fruit. We don't do it by keeping the Sabbath and the feasts, which the church was never told to do.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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i don't think you can successfully argue that bro.

this isn't the first instance in history that the temple was destroyed and the people exiled; if the destruction of the temple and the removal of the people from the land was sufficient criteria to establish that a command to abandon the law of the Sinai covenant had been issued, then the Babylonian captivity equally qualifies as such criteria. to say the events of 70 AD should be construed as 'a direct order' to end the law of Judaism is tantamount to saying the rebuilding of the temple and re-institution of the law, the feasts, the worship and the sacrifices was evil.

Jeremiah, contemporary to the time of the exile, doesn't say this -- he says,

Therefore this is what the LORD says:
"If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve Me"
(Jeremiah 15:19)
it is the cross that ends the law of Moses. already by saying 'new covenant' at the last seder He made it obsolete -- close to 40 years before the Romans razed the temple grounds, the veil had torn. the destruction at that time was proof to the Jews of something, but the proof that the covenant made at Horeb was no more happened as soon as the holy of holies was uncovered, and no bright cloud of glory was seen there - instead darkness covered the land for a space of hours.

i mean -- a person could make that argument, but they'd lose the argument. ;)
but this is the first instance in which it has been utterly destroyed and cannot be rebuilt because a heathen mosque sits on it. And the longest they have ever been without one. And they no longer have the ark of the covenant nor Aaron's rod nor the mercy seat,
 

posthuman

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but this is the first instance in which it has been utterly destroyed and cannot be rebuilt because a heathen mosque sits on it. And the longest they have ever been without one. And they no longer have the ark of the covenant nor Aaron's rod nor the mercy seat,
that mosque wasn't built until over 600 years later.

it's not clear to me no one has the ark. ask the Ethiopians, or the orthodox zealots, for example. they wouldn't agree with that statement.

i think the salient point here is that it's the work of Christ that cancelled the law, not some physical - which is by its very physical nature, temporary - impediment.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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to whom it may concern:

sometimes I just can't be serious

I would apologize, but not sure I need to

also, it would only happen again :confused: :whistle:
 

posthuman

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well I did get an 85 in my last class, but then I quit...while I was ahead...and goofed off in art class instead
i also have an art degree.
you can let me know if you ever become serious about discussing that topic, too.



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7seasrekeyed

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to whom it may concern:

sometimes I just can't be serious

I would apologize, but not sure I need to

also, it would only happen again :confused: :whistle:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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i also have an art degree.
you can let me know if you ever become serious about discussing that topic, too.



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oh I know that

I create art

art I sell

people must like it

they keep coming back

I am also a pro photographer

people must like that too

as they buy multiples and repeat the performance at various shows

I used to do limited editions but it got too tedious so I apologize to all those whose purchase I devalued :cautious:

they probably are not here anyway

de money that is deposited into de bank with my square app is serious too
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I have no idea why post 155 cloned itself

doggone aliens